tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post3851741065922115274..comments2023-10-05T03:05:34.846-07:00Comments on From atop the Branches of the Giving Tree...: Michael Jackson Did Not Administer Propofol to Himself--A Medical Perspectivegatorgirl277http://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-36185387446752055922011-10-10T10:11:06.206-07:002011-10-10T10:11:06.206-07:00I wanted to add here that we now know that Murray ...I wanted to add here that we now know that Murray used Luer-Lock syringes with needles--and non Luer-Lock tubing and IV catheters. The syringe on the table did not have a needle attached to it. It was long thought that the "needle" on the floor went to the syringe but this is incorrect. What was on the floor was actually an IV catheter, not a syringe needle. Thus, there was no needle around that was seen that went to that particular syringe (perhaps the one that went with the syringe was the one Murray offered to paramedics--ew.) Given there is no needle on that syringe, that means Michael could not have used it to self-inject in tubing that required a needle. The only other syringe found was found in the tubing. I will describe this in another blog, as it appears to have been staged by Murray after paramedics took Michael down, but will say for now the biggest indication Michael did not use this syringe is that it did not contain any of his fingerprints. No fingerprints--no self-injection.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-12730890528533052302011-03-16T21:47:02.921-07:002011-03-16T21:47:02.921-07:00Their defense will be to try to blame the victim a...Their defense will be to try to blame the victim and confuse the jury as much as possible. I PRAY there is no expert who is willing to do exactly what you said but man, money and their name in the news may be the key motivator here! People are sick, including "experts"!<br /><br />To me, Michael's artistic legacy is set--there is no way anyone could ever lay a finger on his artistic legacy. No one. My worry is what do people think of his character? I do not want people thinking he was a pedophile nor that he died from his own drug-related demons that apparently did not exist, certainly not how people make them out to have existed. That is not fair. If people think poorly of his character they miss the artistic legacy he left behind and that is such a great shame because his entire life was devoted to either his work or to helping others, especially children. My hope is people his children's age will someday ban together and defend Michael against the few ignorant ants who try to defame his name. We have seen a bit of a spiritual/religious awakening in society in the last few years or decades--let's hope the same sort of awakening happens for Michael and the truth about the man behind the music. That is my hope, at least!gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-29547611379371749242011-03-06T22:56:25.357-08:002011-03-06T22:56:25.357-08:00I really can't wait to see them try to produce...I really can't wait to see them try to produce a defense for this case. They have already pissed off the judge and the trial hasn't even started yet. And I seriously doubt if there is a real expert who would be willing to stake their professional reputation on this sinking ship of a propfol and demerol addiction, in which someone who according to them was very well versed in these drugs would be dumb enough to try and drink one and yet their autopsy does not support any of these claims.<br /><br />Everyone is concerned about Michael's legacy and his family, but I honestly believe that Michael's legacy already is. He was the greatest entertainer ever! And his family regardless of the outcome of this trail will always be tortured by his trials.<br /> I think the ridculousness of this all and the fact that it will be televised will just prove what Michael has always insisted. That People have always been out to get him, and people will say and do anything for money.Ebonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15879499038396859111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-12189200605064914092011-03-01T21:58:58.713-08:002011-03-01T21:58:58.713-08:00I figure everyone here also knows or can guess at ...I figure everyone here also knows or can guess at the difference between physical addiction and psychological addiction. If not, let me know!gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-34077922830258947422011-03-01T21:56:51.712-08:002011-03-01T21:56:51.712-08:00Part Two:
I also want people to keep in mind abus...Part Two:<br /><br />I also want people to keep in mind abuse and addiction are NOT the same thing and that is crucial. One does not have to be addicted to abuse a drug--and being addicted/dependent on a drug is not necessarily abuse, either. I think it is important to understand Michael had asked for propofol so he could sleep--he did not want to use it to experience a euphoria or any type of pleasurable feelings. (I will touch on this notion a couple more times.) He just wanted to be able to sleep so he could be rested and perform at the level he knew he had to perform to basically keep everything he owned (and all that he owned is what generated his income that he and his family survived off of especially after the 2005 trial). This wasn't just a comeback on the line--it inevitably became his life on the line. But, my point is he was asking to basically be put into a coma--he did not know it was a coma (but Murray should have known this). Propofol can also be used to lightly sedate someone to the point where they remain able to respond touch and commands--this is all controlled by dosing, dosing that should be controlled by a manual IV pump that can deliver precise and exact dosing. That light sedation or "sub-therapeutic dosing" is what is said to sometimes cause pleasurable feelings. However, Michael was not seeking sub-therapeutic or light sedation. He wanted to sleep/be placed in a coma so that further rules out that Michael wanting to experience any type of "high" from this medication which has been indicated to possibly cause psychological addiction. <br /><br />As I have said before anyone can form a psychological addiction to just about anything though--but as this article states there is usually something underlying psychologically that is causing such, not the drug itself. The reason this is important is because Murray not only claims he was "weaning" Michael off the propofol (at doses that would barely generate an effect) but also there are now claims Michael drank propofol because he was so dependent on it. This new claim appears to be Murray's newest defense, as in defense number "too many". Perhaps the defense caught wind Michael's fingerprints were not on the syringes he supposedly self-injected with, against all logical and ability. Who knows.<br /><br />The link to the story reporting Michael drank propofol:<br /><br />http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=7986544<br /><br />My Twitter response to this article:<br /><br />http://www.twitlonger.com/show/92hvjk<br /><br />Propofol is called "milk of amnesia" for a reason, too. Shortly after being administered (approximately 30 seconds) and until it wears off you do not recall anything--it is like time disappeared. So, any feelings of euphoria or sexual illusions should not really be able to be recalled by someone who is made comatose by the drug, as Michael asked to be. In other words, these pleasurable effects that sometimes lead people to abuse propofol should not have been factors that Michael should have experienced (or recalled that he experienced). Just repeating myself a few times to get the point across Michael was NOT physically addicted to propofol like Murray is trying to make out like he was. (Thanks to meigadas for reminding me about the amnesia effect!)gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-77985664274976896722011-03-01T21:50:22.907-08:002011-03-01T21:50:22.907-08:00Part One:
Hey Ebony! I finally got around to fi...Part One: <br /><br />Hey Ebony! I finally got around to finding that quote from an article I wanted to share with you. The following comes from an article written by Kranioti, et al.<br /><br />"Propofol lacks affinity to opiates, benzodiazepines, or NDMA receptors and hence does not have the potential for abuse or addiction that is always associated with the risk of overdose, as in the case of fentanyl or ketamine. The abuse potential of propofol has not completely been defined, but there have been few publications describing propofol abuse and dependency. In most of these cases, propofol was abused for its sedative and relaxing properties. Other possible motives for propofol abuse are sexual illusions, pleasurable or euphoric feelings. In addition, propofol has been reported to alleviate symptoms such as chronic headache or migraine. Patients who use propofol for such reasons may develop some psychological dependency because of their addiction to the euphoric feelings induced. This however would seem rather to refer to an underlying psychological instability or disturbance with or without dependence to other drugs because most abusers do not develop true dependency to propofol since there is no evidence of tolerance, which refers to the need to increase the amount of drug to maintain a given response."<br /><br />This article came out in 2007 so it is still fairly recent and would be considered "in-date". Though this article says the abuse potential has not been completely defined medical personnel who administer this drug (physicians, nurses) will tell you they do not see the formation of addiction or the desire to abuse the drug in practice (though some patients have joked it gives them the best sleep they ever had). I have said before that I cannot deny that if Michael did in fact ask for propofol then his asking was to "abuse" the drug though he would not have seen this as abuse--he saw it as an IV sleep aid.<br /><br />Cont...gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-30042934052832869812011-02-26T16:44:57.131-08:002011-02-26T16:44:57.131-08:00Haha David! Interesting you bring that up right no...Haha David! Interesting you bring that up right now as just the other day I read an article on "sex addiction":<br /><br />http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2050027,00.html<br /><br />I think the whole notion of "addiction" has been blown out of proportion and now it has confused a lot of people. I think society is trying to paint everyone as an addict to something and that is not good. Have you seen that new show where people are "addicted" to pillow stuffing or abrasive cleaners or they have to carry a ventriloquist doll around? I don't know whether to think they really want to do such things or if they are doing such for hype so they can be on a TV show. <br /><br />As for "sex addiction", my current belief is it is not addiction like that of an addiction to heroin or cocaine, or even alcohol. I am not saying these men may not have the desire almost continuously (don't most men think of sex a hell of a lot, though?! LOL)--I do think that is very possible, but I do not think that gives them the excuse to go have sex with multiple women/partners like Tiger Woods (or Conrad Murray, hmmm). Did David Duchovny have any affairs? Is he still married to Tea Leoni? I could check on that myself I guess but I am lazy today.<br /><br />I really cannot imagine going to "rehab" for this sort of thing and if "rehab" works then you have to think it is moreover just acting upon pure desire than it being a compulsion that is taking over their life--I have wondered in the past if it is not a hormonal issue or something pathological with some of these men, at which case, a person I do not think could help what they are feeling if that is the case (which I don't know if anyone with sexual addiction has ever been said to have something wrong like excess testosterone or not). But, no way am I ever going to say sex addiction is an excuse for Tiger Woods having sex with just about every woman in Florida (or wherever). There is a difference between "thinking" and "doing", a BIG difference. There is a moral obligation there that should be met and should also be considered--Tiger may have had the continuous urges but he consciously decided to have sex with all of those women while knowing it would hurt others (his wife, children, career). Some men discussed in that article I posted did not have sex but instead masturbated on a frequent basis--at least the moral obligation to others is not a problem there, though physical harm might be! <br /><br />As for Tiger and other men who sleep around, I think they are pigs of course. Him and John Edwards have to be two of the men I hate most in the world (I think John has what's coming to him now that he married a nut). I think Tiger is just an asshole narcissist and did what he wanted and thought he could get away with it and did not care about anyone else in the process.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-3791720996209669932011-02-24T18:34:12.159-08:002011-02-24T18:34:12.159-08:00Nikki, I have a question: what is your professiona...Nikki, I have a question: what is your professional opinion about men who claim to have a "sex addiction"? Celebrities like Tiger Woods, David Duchovny, and Eric Benet have all claimed to have it and went to rehab for it. <br /><br />I know as a woman you probably think it's BS, but as a medical professional, is there any validity to their claims, or was it just a "get out of jail free" card that they used to justify their infidelities? I've always been curious about this! :)lcpledwards74https://www.blogger.com/profile/03282163548629668642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-53425529741656970502011-02-23T13:56:38.578-08:002011-02-23T13:56:38.578-08:00Here is another good link courtesy of VPB_Maria on...Here is another good link courtesy of VPB_Maria on Twitter:<br /><br />http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/jacksons-former-publicist-dismisses-family-intervention-reports_1109305<br /><br />I also need to talk about lorazepam again. I keep thinking of making it a separate blog or just adding it here, not sure what I should do. I made some mistakes in my math when I said Michael was given about 8 mg of lorazepam. It was more like 17 mg. :-(gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-43741872808681766682011-02-23T13:43:41.627-08:002011-02-23T13:43:41.627-08:00Well, my belief is if you respect Michael, you wil...Well, my belief is if you respect Michael, you will be methodical in making sure you speak the truth and Michael is not the person to be using as a poster child for addiction--it is not being honest and if you are not honest then you are doing nothing for him but hurting him further. It is not only disrespectful to Michael, his children, and his legacy but it will give people the wrong views of addiction and many already have a very distorted view of addiction and what it really is. People actually suffer and even die from misconceptions and misunderstandings about addiction. <br /><br />JVM is definitely malicious with her words and she is simply using addiction as a way to make herself some money. I mean, to call Michael Jackson a "pill popper" is just dumb when a) he had no pills in his stomach when he died and b) he did not appear to be taking his oral medications in excess, especially in the last few years of his life when you take into consideration information from people like the Cacios, etc. He did not have any ill effects from years of abuse--he died in very good health minus some complications that seemed to be lupus. Everyone keeps throwing this blame and fault on Michael and addiction from some type of self-medication from depression from the abuse allegations and neglecting the fact he survived all that crap, he likely had lupus, and an MD was in the house poisoning Michael nightly and is directly responsible for his death. He did not die from addiction. He did not die from a disease. He died from Murray and he died from greed.<br /><br />I may get around to contacting this guy at some point but like others, I think the information would go in one ear and out the other and he would continue to publish whatever he's written as-is. Like you said, we have bigger fish to fry! I think it is better for me to just write out the truth and let people find it rather than going head-to-head with someone who could care less about what I have to say. Let's see what else he comes up with, otherwise, most of my work is revolving around Murray for the time being. That is enough to keep me busy for years!gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-22500357211251814262011-02-19T18:03:47.203-08:002011-02-19T18:03:47.203-08:00@ Nikki
Even though that lawyer is an idiot who is...@ Nikki<br />Even though that lawyer is an idiot who isn't qualified to diagnose MJ as an addict, I don't think he had any malice in his heart, and he's a fan who respects MJ. I think the overall tone of the article was that we as a society need to do something with the epidemic of addiction in our country, and unfortunately he used MJ as an example.<br /><br />It's no different than what JVM did in her new book, except for the fact that I believe she DID have malicious intent (otherwise, she wouldn't have called him a "pill popper"). Combine that with her "friendships" with Dimond, Grace, Bloom, etc., and her history of biased reporting, and it all adds up!<br /><br />Here is his contact info if you want to send him a link to some of your articles. Personally, I think we have bigger fish to fry, and because I don't think he had malice, I think we should just "let it slide" LOL! <br /><br />Now, if he writes another article like this during the trial, then yes, we should bombard him with links to this blog and others!<br />http://www.walkerandassoc.com/v4/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=101&Itemid=110lcpledwards74https://www.blogger.com/profile/03282163548629668642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-51350449280103438702011-02-18T16:59:40.460-08:002011-02-18T16:59:40.460-08:00David, I remember that fool from way back when. I...David, I remember that fool from way back when. I thought he had fallen off the face of the Earth--thing is--why would anyone take the word of an attorney (an entertainment one at that) when it comes to discussing medical information? That is like asking a doctor about the penal code and expecting a qualified answer. Is there a way to send him my blog or something?gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-80201860064728955522011-02-18T16:56:34.724-08:002011-02-18T16:56:34.724-08:00The Sprocket blog--I am so glad you have gone ther...The Sprocket blog--I am so glad you have gone there and tried to reason with them. I have not had time yet to read the entire blogs they have posted but I will say I am not pleased as I have been notified of things that are simply not true on the blog, like saying hydrocodone was found in the house--no it was not. There are other issues, too. I won't say much else because I am actually going to write a blog addressing all of the problems I see rather then trying to go comment on there and having my posts either deleted or ignored. I agree with you totally that it is just ignorance, either at knowledge or moreover from not knowing the full scope of information from Lee, from the autopsy report, from the very beginning.<br /><br />Speaking of that blog, I still believe that Murray did not utilize a makeshift drip, I still maintain he used the syringes to administer the drug. I will investigate this further though very soon!gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-369639649506072592011-02-18T16:56:28.037-08:002011-02-18T16:56:28.037-08:00Yes, if he had an addiction to this drug he'd ...Yes, if he had an addiction to this drug he'd needed someone there giving all the time--he was, by many accounts, never the kind that would have self-injected himself (though I know idiots like Boteach Schmuley say he did though he never witnessed anything and Michael had no skin markings consistent with chronic IV drug abuse)--he was needle-phobic. But, that whole notion can be tossed, the drug does not cause withdrawals or tolerance so if you don't have tolerance or withdrawal then you will not experience the effects of physical addiction! Murray's BS of "weaning" is just that--BS. The drug is not IDed as a drug of "abuse and/or addiction" by the DEA (however benzos are thus regulation is much tighter on them). Yes, there are cases of people abusing propofol but there are also cases of people abusing bath salts which appears to be the new craze. People abuse White Out, they abuse aerosols, carburetor fluid. Seriously, it goes to heights no one would imagine--that is real "addiction". Anything can be psychologically addictive, even food is, sadly for many--a psychological addiction is more of a mental issue rather than physical issue with the drug or substance. Michael may have thought propofol was the only medication to help him "sleep", he had tried other methods, legit methods Lee had provided to him but they did not work, but this bit of Murray "weaning" is only indicative of physical symptoms of addiction which do not exist with propofol. I know there are going to be some people, including medical professionals like doctors and what not, say that it is addictive. But, ask a nurse who gives it for years and see what they say--they will tell you it is not addictive. It is not like morphine, it is not like alcohol. Michael was not addicted to propofol and he was not being weaned.<br /><br />There is a quote I have posted before from an article I have access to that I need to find and post on here. I think I have posted it somewhere on this blog but not sure. (Looking...)<br /><br />Here is part of the quote, from here:<br /><br />http://gatorgirl277.blogspot.com/2010/06/propofol-death-cases-quick-historical.html<br /><br />"An article by Kranioti says, "Propofol lacks affinity to opiates, benzodiazepines or NDMA receptors and hence does not a have the potential for abuse or addiction than is always associated with the risk of overdose, as in the case of fentanyl or ketamine. Most abusers do not develop a true dependency to propofol since there is no evidence of tolerance, which refers to the need to increase the amount of drug to maintain a given response."<br /><br />But, there is more to this quote I need to add which makes it all flow. I will post it up here shortly.<br /><br />If I recall correctly, this article was written in about 2006, so it is not old or outdated, either. The quote I want to add discusses why some patients who use this medication may see a need for an increase in the dose (not sure if that is from the same author or not) and it also describes the author's theory about psychological addiction which is basically the same thing I said above.<br /><br />Do I think Michael asked for propofol? Yes I do. Do I think he thought he would be okay while using it? Yes, I do. Could he have been okay? Perhaps, if he was actually monitored and necessary equipment was on hand and ready for use. I am not sold on him having it for like, 8 hours a night while on tours before because I have yet to understand how he could have been given adequate oxygen without being intubated and I do not believe a doctor would intubated a patient nightly, especially not a singer and a singer on tour at that. Thing is, when Michael was sleeping, and if he was getting medications IV, then he had no real clue what he was getting while sedated. It could be he was given it just to initiate what he thought was sleep but then it was maintained with something else that does not cause apnea/stop breathing.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-40121331624580218682011-02-18T16:34:55.177-08:002011-02-18T16:34:55.177-08:00Ale and Ebony, welcome!
You know, you mentioned M...Ale and Ebony, welcome!<br /><br />You know, you mentioned Michael taking benzos over the years. I figure he did, many people do. I am sure he was certainly on them during the 2005 trial and anyone in such a position would NEED them--how dare anyone try to insinuate him taking medications for anxiety during that as being abuse or addiction. They need to back off--they probably wouldn't be able to survive such an ordeal, meds or not.<br /><br />But, I was shocked to see almost every benzo, besides the diazepam dispensed only 5 days before he died, was written only for nightly use as needed. I was floored--this man had a stressful life--I figure hed would "eat" benzos, you know? But he didn't, he didn't at all from what we can tell. The more I look into things the more I think Michael didn't like to take medications and avoided them when possible, especially if he was to take them himself, like not finishing his antibiotics or taking his Flomax, or not taking/seeing any medications for chronic use for systemic lupus which I firmly believe he had (some with lupus take a drug called Plaquenil). He just doesn't appear to have been a fan of medications at all.<br /><br />I know some sources I have read say people who take benzos do not develop tolerance when taken for anxiety but will when used for insomnia. I disagree--I think tolerance and dependence can develop for both conditions and a lot depends on which benzo is being taken. A drug like Xanax can build tolerance very quickly because its effects are so short compared to say, Vailum (diazepam) which can last most of the day. When you take a benzo that slowly tapers off rather than works a couple hours then is done, your chances of tolerance or withdrawal when you go without it goes down. I know that benzos are not recommended to take for insomnia more than about 2 weeks or a month (many other insomnia drugs also are not recommended to take long-term, either). To me, treatments for insomnia have a long way to go before something is available that is safe to use AND works.<br /><br />Anyway, back on topic...<br /><br />You made some great points about addiction, or rather, the lack there of with Michael. Also to add to this, back in 2007 the Cascios saw nothing (though now, thanks to so many lies, are assuming he hid some addiction from them though they saw nothing, no impairment, no drugs, no paraphernalia which means duh, he was not on anything). Nurse Cherilyn Lee saw nothing when she was treating him in January and February--she did not see him in March--and it wasn't until April he mentioned his insomnia was now problematic (he had causally mentioned it before but did not ask for any treatment for it) and asked her only then about propofol. <br /><br />With a drug like propofol, people who abuse it, they self-inject and at times can inject up to 100 times a day because the drug is so short-acting that it must be almost continuously given (if unconsciousness is what they are seeking, which is usually the case) because a dose of 200 mg is usually only good for abotu 10-15 minutes of unconsciousness.<br /><br />I hope people realize propofol that is drank would do nothing--and when people insinuate this they are insulting Michael's intelligence--he knew for it to "make him sleep" it had to be given IV or he'd ordered it himself and not asked for a doctor to not only administer it but also to watch him and make sure he was "safe". (Continued...)gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-6139147864545471272011-02-18T15:52:35.738-08:002011-02-18T15:52:35.738-08:00Hey everyone! Wow, I have a lot of messages here t...Hey everyone! Wow, I have a lot of messages here to to respond to so let me start one at at time--<br /><br />LadyPurr, thank you so much for your beautiful words!<br /><br />"No one could convince me that Michael would take his own life. Yes, he was probably suffering terribly from insomnia and the stress of facing a 50-concert gig. That, combined with decades of relentless media abuse most definitely took an enormous toll on his life. However, Michael loved his children (and his fans!) and would never deliberately abandon them. Given what we know so far, even the most disinterested person should be asking why the charge against Murray is not 2nd degree murder?"<br /><br />I could not agree with you more--perfectly said!<br /><br />When I first heard news that Michael passed, I wasn't so sure he was killed intentionally because I am the kind of person that wants proof to slap me in the face a few times. When I first heard that it was propofol I just cried my eyes out--I knew that was it and it was just, shocking. How a doctor could ever consent to giving this for insomnia is beyond me--but, you know, I could see some evil person lying to their desperate patient, their supposed "friend" mind you, all for money.<br /><br />But, when details emerged about what was in the house and what was not, when I realized Murray apparently did not even bother to use the pulse-ox that was in a closet in another room, when I realized he had no means to give Michael sufficient oxygen, when I realized he failed to prepare not for possible disaster but disaster that was inevitable--that is when I thought okay, something is wrong here. You do not buy some bed pads and a condom catheter but not equipment to make sure your patients BREATHES and expect them to live. That is when I thought oh my God, I really believe Murray wanted Michael to die, how else can you explain the lack of not only not being prepared or monitoring, but lacking any means to keep your patient alive when, as a doctor, you know what not can but WILL happen to him giving not only propofol but lorazepam, too? <br /><br />I can't say why Murray did what he did, I cannot say when this was planned or thought out, I can only guess and I don't like to guess on anything--I hate being wrong and leading people in the wrong direction. But, I can almost say, without a doubt, that Murray created an environment in which Michael was to die rather than sleep--nothing present in that room was conducive to giving the man what he really wanted--a good night's rest, something so many take for granted.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-72122548425419403342011-02-16T04:15:53.299-08:002011-02-16T04:15:53.299-08:00@ lcpledwards74
This was not on my blog. I haven&#...@ lcpledwards74<br />This was not on my blog. I haven't started one yet. It was <br />Trials and Tribulations- <br />http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/02/dr-conrad-murrays-death-drip-explained.html<br /><br />I think most of their claims were from personal prejudices and media crap and general ignorance. Most seemed to mean well, they were just tragically uninformed.<br /><br />I managed however after several attempts to get through to most of them and the meaner comments were deleted.<br /><br />There was no way I was going to let that go unchallenged. :)Ebonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15879499038396859111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-54481761804638088732011-02-14T14:24:21.343-08:002011-02-14T14:24:21.343-08:00@ Ebony
You said the following: "I have been...@ Ebony<br />You said the following: "I have been blasted by bloggers as of late for my rejection of the theory that MJ was addicted to propofol for many of the same reasons you stated here."<br /><br />I'm curious to know who blasted you, and what they said about you, so can you provide links to your blog (if you have one), or their blogs so we can see why they believe MJ was an addict? (Other than their own prejudices about him!)<br /><br />Thank you!lcpledwards74https://www.blogger.com/profile/03282163548629668642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-26927789693254187672011-02-14T14:22:18.322-08:002011-02-14T14:22:18.322-08:00Nikki, have you read this garbage? It's by a...Nikki, have you read this garbage? It's by an "entertainment lawyer" named James L. Walker. He wrote it in Sept. 2009, and boldly labels MJ a "drug addict". This is really ironic, considering that it's coming from a damn lawyer and NOT a doctor!<br /><br />http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-02/entertainment/walker.jackson_1_dr-conrad-murray-drug-abuse-drug-problem?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ<br /><br />Here is his official website: http://www.walkerandassoc.com/v4/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=77<br /><br />Don't get me wrong, he's not a MJ hater, as he is currently working on a book about MJ's business deals, and he admits to being a huge fan. http://www.walkerandassoc.com/v4/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147:attorney-james-l-walker-jr-prepares-to-write-his-second-book-about-the-late-michael-jackson&catid=19:press-release&Itemid=77<br /><br />I wanted to give you his article so you can use it as an example of how misinformed people often times pigeonhole MJ as an "addict" without proper research! He didn't even mention the autopsy report, which had already been released by the time that article was written! We should definitely send him your articles!lcpledwards74https://www.blogger.com/profile/03282163548629668642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-60741654133056672452011-02-12T09:23:46.317-08:002011-02-12T09:23:46.317-08:00I know I am late to the party, but this is an AWES...I know I am late to the party, but this is an AWESOME POST!!!!!<br /> I have been blasted by bloggers as of late for my rejection of the theory that MJ was addicted to propofol for many of the same reasons you stated here. Because the defense is gonna go the he was a druggie route. Because if he was in fact addicted to propofol, then he would probably self inject or drink it. The problem with this theory is in order to use the drug in the manner that MJ did it required the constant presence of a second party.<br />MJ clearly knew what the drug was and had used it before, as he requested it. If he had an addiction to the drug one would expect that he would have had an doctor on call to administer it, and would not have had to ask the nurse or hire Murray. He asked nurse Lee to help him find someone to give him the drug. Addicts don't usually need help seeking out the drug of their choice.<br />In my humble Layperson's opinion I think MJ was using propofol as a part of his regemine for tour prep. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars go directly to propofol.<br />I believe that he demanded propofol. I think he wanted that straight away. Why bother with the benzos when they don't always work. (He'd been given benzos in pill form for years so he probably had quite the tolerance for those drugs) He did not have time for that. But propofol because of his body's limited exposure to it worked every time.<br />Another quick note on the addiction ruse, If he were addicted to something wouldn't it be more likey to be the benzos that he had regular access to. And they have been documented as being highly addictive. There were bottle of those benzos found in his bedroom with dates a month back that were barely used. Not the sign of somone who is in the throes of addiction.Ebonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15879499038396859111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-26983610224104071822011-02-12T07:54:37.865-08:002011-02-12T07:54:37.865-08:00Thanks for the article.
Justice must be done.Thanks for the article.<br />Justice must be done.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16041201724311704026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-21585639454642917622011-02-11T13:41:21.385-08:002011-02-11T13:41:21.385-08:00Dear Nikki,
Thank you so much for the time and in...Dear Nikki,<br /><br />Thank you so much for the time and incredible effort you put forth in giving us this detailed and most insightful report about propofol and Murray's astonishingly negligent actions.<br /><br />No one could convince me that Michael would take his own life. Yes, he was probably suffering terribly from insomnia and the stress of facing a 50-concert gig. That, combined with decades of relentless media abuse most definitely took an enormous toll on his life. However, Michael loved his children (and his fans!) and would never deliberately abandon them. Given what we know so far, even the most disinterested person should be asking why the charge against Murray is not 2nd degree murder?<br /><br />In the weeks following his autopsy's release, I started to wonder what really happened. I knew his fans were among the most loyal and caring people in the world and there would be very knowledgeable people who wouldn't rest until they got to the bottom of what really happened. While I do believe that Murray is directly responsible for Michael's tragic death, many of us also wonder if there's more than what has been made public. Sadly, Forbes reported recently that he is now the richest "dead" entertainer. Many stood to gain more from his death. <br /><br />It's all so disturbing and heartbreaking. I understand the importance of doing all we can to make sure that the media reports the facts before, during and after the trial. It's most important to rebut the garbage by making it clearly understood that Michael is NOT on trial--Conrad Murray is.<br /><br />Poor Katherine. Can anyone imagine her heartache? I'm sure she recalls over and over again the day she first held him in her arms. She knew how special he was the moment she looked into his beautiful dark eyes and to see and endure, right along with him, the pain and mental torture, and ultimately have him taken from her so thoughtlessly and cruelly, well, my heart just aches for her. God! He has touched our lives so powerfully and probably a day doesn't go by that we don't think about him, listen to a song, or watch a video, and we just miss him so much. But, I just can't imagine how his loss has affected his family, especially his mother and his dear children. Fortunately for them, they are young and resilient. They benefitted from his loving parenting and they, along with his unmatched humanitarian efforts, will be his greatest legacy.<br /><br />God has blessed you with rare gifts, Nikki! How it must please Michael to see you use them so well and share them with the world. <br /><br />Thank you so much!ladypurrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15548729938808769839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-51307827650522039172011-01-28T14:39:59.534-08:002011-01-28T14:39:59.534-08:00Thanks guys!
Lisha--yes, if by some defiance of a...Thanks guys!<br /><br />Lisha--yes, if by some defiance of all obstacles a patient was to be able to self-inject, and the doctor had set it up to administer this drug in this fashion, it is the the doctor's responsibility because he should be there monitoring the patient and it was wrong on his part to have it set up in such a form! I mean, Jack Kevorkian, though I do not know a lot about him and I am by no means saying Michael wanted to commit suicide, but, Kevorkian did not actually kill his patients--he devised a manner for them to "humanely" kill themselves. That is my understanding, at least. The patient, not he, was responsible for actually initiating the death yet he is in prison and has been for years, charged with murder, and I honestly do not know when he will be released, if ever. Yet here Kevorkian was assisting terminally ill patients to die, patients in pain, agony, with no hope of being cured. Michael wanted to sleep--not die, yet Murray put Michael not only in a more dangerous position where Michael had no control of his situation but he also was treating Michael so inhumanely!!! It is just...SICK!<br /><br />I think Murray's attorneys are trying ANYTHING because they know that there is no excuse for anything Murray did and they are lucky to be facing involuntary manslaughter. So, who else to blame but the only other person in the room who also happens to be the victim? How low can one go? Michael is gone and Murray makes himself out to be a victim? He still has his life, sadly, when Michael is the one who lost his life senselessly! I am shocked Murray has not either said someone else snuck into the room and did it (though again, he is responsible, he set all that crap up, etc) OR claimed Michael wanted to assist him in suicide! We would know that is a lie thanks to people like Cherilyn Lee who said Michael was seeking propofol to help him sleep 8 hours a night so he could get through the tour. Not only that, but for all Michael went through, and survived, why give up when on route to seize the world again? Above all though, Michael would never abandon his children or his fans--never. They were his life and he knew his children depended on him and needed--he loved his children, and his fan, more than himself and lived for them, for us.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-72930441040343876412011-01-04T13:48:03.109-08:002011-01-04T13:48:03.109-08:00Fantastic article! Thank you so much. But here i...Fantastic article! Thank you so much. But here is what is puzzling me. Even if somehow or another the patient was able to self administer (though this seems quite impossible), isn't it still the physicians responsibility to control where and how this dangerous medicine is stored? Isn't it negligent to leave a lethal dose of any medication within the reach of any patient, especially one you have just administered powerful sedatives to? Why is self administering even considered a possible defense? It's the physicians responsibility to control the medication and keep the patient safe, end of.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02665328938248714258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-19933568480467598762011-01-03T17:12:38.826-08:002011-01-03T17:12:38.826-08:00Truly excellent work here by the fantastic Nikki. ...Truly excellent work here by the fantastic Nikki. I have been tweeting this link and will continue to do so throughout the trial. <br /><br />If anyone reading this has any, even tenuous, links to the prosecution or public figures who can help, then try to get the information here to them.<br /><br />Failing that, blog the information here on public sites -- sooner or later it will get picked up and discussed in the public domain.Deborah Ffrenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01906772216825195609noreply@blogger.com