tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post5021234083134801132..comments2023-10-05T03:05:34.846-07:00Comments on From atop the Branches of the Giving Tree...: Lisa Marie Speaks to Oprah--My Take--Part Twogatorgirl277http://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-71765539057006034452012-02-04T09:26:09.793-08:002012-02-04T09:26:09.793-08:00I found this blog to be very insightful about MJ a...I found this blog to be very insightful about MJ and his relationships. It sheds some interesting light on it, and the creator of the site sis a good job researching, the articles and sources are on the site too.<br /><br />http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/MJfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189635110914324942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-81732807355126834582012-02-04T09:13:37.385-08:002012-02-04T09:13:37.385-08:00But the good news is that MJ did have relationship...But the good news is that MJ did have relationships in the later years of his life up untill his death. His daughter has said this, his niece and other insiders like his bodyguards have too. So he wasn't entirely lonely.MJfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189635110914324942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-49187392598128100802012-02-04T09:04:36.407-08:002012-02-04T09:04:36.407-08:00Hey I really love you blog, but I don't agree ...Hey I really love you blog, but I don't agree with everything you said. MJ did have "real" relationships before Lisa, don't forget that he was in a relationship with Diana Ross from '78 till around '82. He was in love with her and many say that she was the true love of his life. There are many blogs and forums where this relationship has been researched. After Diana he did not allow himself to be that close to a woman again untill Lisa that is. Because he was devastated and heartbroken of the fact Diana married Arne Naess in the mid 80's. According to various people of his circle including his chief of security, Diana was MJ's first. But she played with his emotions.<br /><br />He indeed really loved Lisa, but after a couple of months started doubting the relationship because Lisa turned out to be not like he tought. He felt like she was trying to change him, the people at Neverland were not too fond of her either. But he tried to make it work, but when he found out she was still on the pill and unwilling to give him children he became dissapointed and started losing interest in the marriage. Having Children was the most important thing to him.<br /><br />Anyway, I think Lisa is still hung up on Michael. But I think Diana was the love of Michael's life. The chemistry between them is undeniable when you watch old footage of them together, or at the world music awards in 1996 where Diana sings to Michael. I also find the fact that she was in his will very telling. Michael confronted Diana in 2006 for the way she treated him in the 80's. they weren't as close to each other anymore after this, but he remained in touch with her son Evan Ross. He was mentoring him.MJfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189635110914324942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-61352716935589697362010-11-11T18:45:24.253-08:002010-11-11T18:45:24.253-08:00Thank you both Simona and June for your lovely com...Thank you both Simona and June for your lovely comments! <3<br /><br />I will definitely keep going, the way I see it, I am just getting started!gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-79721585204057561532010-11-11T15:44:08.284-08:002010-11-11T15:44:08.284-08:00Nikki - I loved your comment to Simona and hers ba...Nikki - I loved your comment to Simona and hers back to you. I feel so much the same, although expression remains difficult for me. I wonder why my last thought at night and my first thought in the morning has something to do with Michael and why his music runs through my head nearly every waking hour, even at work or with my kids and grandkids. Sometimes it's maddening. I was not a huge "fan" prior to June 25, 2009. Only when I began researching the life of this complex inspirational man was I opened up to an entirely new way of viewing even my own world.<br /><br />Nikki, yours is one of the best Michael blogs around, IMO, and I hope you keep going as there are many problems to be solved and more puzzles to piece together.junehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02435785999975014629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-17031454289857548402010-11-11T04:34:13.686-08:002010-11-11T04:34:13.686-08:00Hi Nikki,
thank you for acknowledging my comment :...Hi Nikki,<br />thank you for acknowledging my comment :-)<br />Well I'm not surprised at hearing that Michael's passing touched you so very much - sadly, the same oes for me and for so many of us around the world. Yet not all who love him, feel him and bring him inside have been gifted with the ability to contribute in any useful way to the (desperately needed) spreading of the truth about him. <br />And truth is what he needs the most, to me. Truth is the only way to go, and the only real form of love we can show. When you say what you fear the most is Michael's gonna be "forgotten", I admit that is my worst fear as well. That HE will be not only forgotten but, which is so much worse - never known by so many. And the thought to me is physically intolerable. It is already as hard as it gets to deal with his passing, so hard that I'm not ashamed to say it still hasn't really sunk in. But to think that the truths about him might never be spoken out so loud and so clearly as to silence once and for all all the deafening lies - well that is not to be accepted. <br />Truth, knowledge, honesty, perseverance and Love are our weapons now, and those who know how to use them effectively are a precious part of Michael's legacy. <br />I am full of gratitude for the work of people like you, it is important to let you know because I imagine it must not be easy. And please never give up.<br />A hug all the way from Italy,<br />SimonaSimohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15246387386666170937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-50268035890423040962010-11-10T22:29:15.774-08:002010-11-10T22:29:15.774-08:00Hi Simona!
Yes! That is what I remember reading...Hi Simona!<br /> Yes! That is what I remember reading in the rabbi's tapes, that she did not take a penny. I guess from that I assumed no pre-nup since if there had been one she shouldn't have even been able to even attempt to take anything other than what was stipulated. I do respect Lisa for that very much, either way.<br /> Thank you so much for your beautiful words Simona. I appreciate it more than words could actually express. I try my best to help Michael with both insight and pure love. It makes me think, from your comment, I must be successful at my attempt! Funny thing is, before Michael passed, I never really wrote anything but a few poems here or there and projects that were school-related. I always thought myself a horrible writer, actually. But, when Michael passed away it transformed me in a way I never imagined--this is the outcome of that.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-24356034352320468482010-11-10T22:21:49.870-08:002010-11-10T22:21:49.870-08:00You know what is sad June, I really believe Kather...You know what is sad June, I really believe Katherine wanted to do something for the fans and her son, just like she said on Oprah. It is obvious the loss of her son is something horribly painful and she will never get over her loss. What is sad is how those priceless possessions should have never become property of Vaccaro in the first place which has led to the association with Mann who has no business working with Katherine when his claim to have is women's nude wrestling. What is also sad is Katherine's son is once again "property" of Sony. I bet if Katherine went rummaging in her closets at home at Hayvenhurst, pulled out some photos of Michael and placed them in a book she would be sued by Sony or whomever has authority over his "image" because they were removed from the process (and may lose profits which we know they would not want). <br /><br />I am very concerned about Katherine. I pray her children are helping guide her with a Michael-like consciousness but I really do not know if that is happening or not. Someone needs to be there by her side who can outsmart these sharks circling her. Just her dealing with her son being killed and now having to raise his children is hard enough on her. She needs help, she needs protection, she needs guidance, and certainly she needs it all with love.<br /><br />All the siblings you just named--it makes me worry and ask, have his siblings moved on from his death already? I pray not. I mentioned this on Facebook and was attacked. I cannot help but think that given what I am seeing. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, I really don't care what does but why isn't anyone still reminding the masses that Michael was killed? I mean, not a day goes by where I do not think of Michael, not really even an hour. It is not just his death that is such a severe injustice, either. He was surrounded by injustice his entire life almost. So many people stand uninformed, not against the notion of Michael being one way or the other.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-88748555629629054212010-11-10T05:02:44.721-08:002010-11-10T05:02:44.721-08:00Hi Nikki,
regarding the pre-nup between Michael an...Hi Nikki,<br />regarding the pre-nup between Michael and Lisa - yes, they both told Sawyer that certain things had been signed obviously, but I bet you were thinking about something Michael told the Rabbi - he said Lisa didn't take a penny. I too remember that.<br /><br />This particular post of yours has got me extremely emotional, the things you say, and the way you say them - there is so much love and compassion and understanding of Michael and it touches me in very deep places and the hurt gets almost unbearable. <br />Thank you for being here for him, not only with the love but with the brains and the knowledge. <br />SimonaSimohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15246387386666170937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-70695607018615953822010-11-10T00:41:13.059-08:002010-11-10T00:41:13.059-08:00Hi June!
I will respond here shortly, hopefully t...Hi June!<br /><br />I will respond here shortly, hopefully tomorrow!gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-60503654814664514522010-11-08T05:10:59.533-08:002010-11-08T05:10:59.533-08:00Nikki and SandyK - so now we know where the pictur...Nikki and SandyK - so now we know where the pictures in Katherine's book, Never Can Say Goodbye, came from - that awful leech Henry Vaccaro, who came into possession of the Jackson Family's storage locker years ago. I am so sorry I bought her book, but at the time, June 2010, I thought a Mom should be able to put out a book about her son without having to jump through Sony's hoops to do it. Now that I know where the pix came from, I am so sad.<br /><br />So Katherine is partnered with Howard Mann, Mark Schaffel and (by using Vaccaro's pix), Henry Vaccaro, owner of Vintage Pop. Where, I ask, are Katherine's children in all this? Aside from Randy's occasional twitter, Jackie put out his own record on ITunes; Janet (on Larry King last week) says she's the happiest she has ever been; Jermaine tries to sing when he's lost whatever voice he had; Marlon and Jackie WERE working with Sony on the album; Latoya is, well, Latoya. Tito says nothing; seems the only Jackson's speaking out against these injustices are T3, Tito's sons, and that's only through Twitter. If Katherine and Joe were my parents, I would be shouting from the rooftops about the vultures surrounding these 80 somethings with this newfound responsibility of three young children.<br /><br />And today Katherine will be plugging her book (at least that's some of what O's trailer shows); this book which I thought contained priceless family treasure pictures which were ultimately obtained from the leech Vaccaro.<br /><br />This is the type of (though not as severe) exploitation and skullduggery Michael dealt with for at least the latter half of his life; now that he's gone, they are circling over his mother. They are WORSE than Sony.<br /><br />Time to leave for work and try to oput this behind me for awhile ....junehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02435785999975014629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-27643778516310602602010-11-07T16:16:55.393-08:002010-11-07T16:16:55.393-08:00I want to do anything I can to help restore his le...I want to do anything I can to help restore his legacy to what it should be. I do not have to make up all these wonderful things he did--I just need to get people to understand the facts and then the cloud of lies will be lifted and the great things he did will shine for themselves. But, rumors of drug abuse and not tackling the child abuse claims head-on with evidence will keep his true legacy clouded forever if something is not done. That is not fair. Michael sacrificed so, so much. Aspects of his life were miserable because of all the sacrifices he made to help others. He could not find his soul mate, he could not enjoy being "normal" as in shop as himself around others, he could not trust anyone to love him or care about him for him instead of the celebrity or entertainer, he could not live a life without gossip, drama and isolation. People owe it to him to make it RIGHT.<br /><br />Sorry for rambling. :-Sgatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-18943063422318951302010-11-07T16:11:04.051-08:002010-11-07T16:11:04.051-08:00Hi Sandy!
Interesting on the "agreement"...Hi Sandy!<br /><br />Interesting on the "agreement". I guess anyone who gets married should have one, especially when there is a lot of money involved. I do think Michael always trusted that Lisa was not after his money. That, to me, is why she was not mentioned in his will (if the will is legit).<br /><br />I have heard that claim from Gayle King. I have yet to hear her radio show comment though, as in, her voice saying it. I will say at the moment until there is more proof, I do not believe it, and certainly, I hope it is not true. That would devastate me if true and really break my heart for multiple reasons. Michael's children are NOT pawns--they are children who suffered a massive tragedy last year, the worst thing that could happen to them. Their safety is of grave concern to me, and should be for their family as well. Their lives will be different forever because of it, they lost their best friend, their rock, the best father to ever live in my eyes. I sometimes sit here distraught because I realize the gravity of Michael no longer being alive. Then, I think of his children, oh my God, there is nothing worse to me than knowing his children cannot ever see him, feel him, hug him, kiss him again--and vice versa. This is the worst thing that could happen to Michael and his children. I know life must go on in some aspects but it seems like sometimes this is too much.<br /><br />I will say this about Marc Schaffel. I do not trust him. He sued Michael. He supposedly called him a heroin addict (maybe the tabloid just made it up, though), he has porn-industry ties which is the opposite of Michael's morals. Marc and Debbie Rowe are close, right? I would think she would be against her children being on the show, too! I do not get why she is with him, either. So, this is so bizarre. The thought of having Michael's children talk to someone, to give this woman ratings when she has used their father for not only her propaganda but insinuated that he was guilty of being a pedophile/molester which is by all accounts not true. I hate to think of the day Prince, Paris and Blanket realize the scope of what their father went through. I figure they know some, but not everything, not yet. I pray to God someone will be there for them because it is not easy to deal with, at least, it has not been easy for me and I did not even know him.<br /><br />I cannot imagine Oprah turning down any Jackson for an interview, unless she figured Katherine would say too many "good" things about Michael and she did not want that. I noticed this show seems to focus again on bullshit, aka drugs and addiction and not all the wonderful things he did in life (I blame Oprah). I guess if Oprah thought she could somehow twist out an agenda, she would do it. The Jacksons (some of them) need to realize that most, if not 99.9% of people they are dealing with are not in it to help them or Michael. If they want to help Michael they better do something quick--time is of the essence. They really ought to "clean house" and keep speaking out about what happened to him and to try and help repair his legacy. It makes me sick that he has a new album, a new "tour" (maybe two) and this all came at a cost--his death. I do not want people continuing to believe he was a pedophile or someone who caused his own death from drug abuse--both are not true.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-14503553304567813952010-11-05T20:20:52.802-07:002010-11-05T20:20:52.802-07:00Hi Nikki,
On another issue, if I may...
I saw th...Hi Nikki,<br /><br />On another issue, if I may...<br /><br />I saw this twitter post that makes some disturbing claims about intentions to use Michael's children as promotional tools in future Jackson business ventures. Also, Mr. Shaffel's name is mentioned in regard to this. I don't know the validity of the statement and frankly it sounds like a cruel joke to me. Nikki, are you familiar with this statement?<br /><br />"According to Gayle King (on her satellite radio show) Oprah did NOT “court” or seek out the Jackson’s in any way, it was Marc Schaffel (teenporn producer/KJ biz partner) who CONTACTED the Oprah team. Oprah & her team were planning an episode on “Teen Heartthrobs” (which coincidentally aired today) and when Oprah was a kid her “crush” was Jackie Jackson. The ONLY call Oprah’s team made was to Jackie to see if he would participate.<br /><br />Days later the Oprah producer assigned to the Jackie Jackson segment received a phone call and faxed letter from Marc Schaffel on behalf of Joe & Katherine Jackson pitching an interview for KJ’s book about MJ. THE OPRAH TEAM REJECTED THE PITCH FROM MARC SHAFFEL, JOE, & KJ saying thanks but no thanks.<br /><br />A few days after Oprah’s team turned them down Marc Schaffel contacted them again to say that “Mr. & Mrs. Jackson would ‘sweeten’ the deal and allow Oprah an ‘exclusive’ interview w/ the children of MJ if she would agree to feature KJ on her show.” According to Gayle, there was MUCH debate between the producers whether or not to do the show. Gayle said the Oprah team is taking great care in the way they are featuring the kids. She said Schaffel made it clear to producers that the Jackson’s were willing to leverage the children to promote their biz ventures to other outlets."<br /><br />Source:<br />http://www.twitlonger.com/show/6qr8ehSandyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15491102751518978984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-19218696084865789342010-11-05T20:08:32.461-07:002010-11-05T20:08:32.461-07:00Hi Nikki,
This is a source concerning the pre-nup...Hi Nikki,<br /><br />This is a source concerning the pre-nuptial agreement between Lisa and Michael. During the interview Diane Sawyer asks about a pre-nup. The pair said that "agreements" were made and certain "things" were signed. Of course Michael asserts that the details are confidential. They don't officially use the term pre-nup, however, if there were agreements with signatures, that would sound like a pre-nup in my mind.<br /><br />Looking forward to your thoughts.<br /><br />By the way, thank you very much for your replies!<br /><br />Source:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paMQXQzsJbc&feature=relatedSandyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15491102751518978984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-72442083933154059392010-11-03T23:32:15.427-07:002010-11-03T23:32:15.427-07:00Hey Sandy!
Really about the pre-nup? I read some...Hey Sandy!<br /><br />Really about the pre-nup? I read somewhere Michael said there wasn't one--LOL! I wish I remembered where I read that, though. It wasn't from the "tapes" was it?<br /><br />You know, Michael did say he was closed off from her and had he really wanted to be with her again, she was available. It seems obvious he did not want to at least be married to her again--and honestly, I do not blame him. Could be because he was afraid of another divorce which was painful enough, I am sure there were some trust issues there, too. Michael had a family after he divorced Lisa. He had his children. I think that also made things different. He put them first. I think it sort of changed his priorities a bit. <br /><br />Sandy, I pity her, too. That is why I tried to be respectful in my blog even though in reality I am thoroughly pissed at her. I am afraid someday it will hit her that this man is not just away on another continent--he is gone, gone. When you cannot see someone, hear someone, touch someone--get feedback--it can be unbearable. She can never have that chance to make things right with him again, to at least just be civil, and if she really does love him, it will be a hard blow. If she really did love him, like I think she did, and when it hits her, she will need a lot of prayers. Hopefully her husband and mother will be there for her. Who knows though, that day may never come.<br /><br />I hope for her sake that her marriage does not have any issues from Michael's death but I am sure there are some. They seem to have a strong marriage though and if you really love each other mutually you can work things out, I think, I hope.<br /><br />Lisa has released two albums:<br /><br />"To Whom It May Concern" on April 8th, 2003<br /><br />"Now What on April" 5th, 2005<br /><br />She has a new album coming up next year. Yeah, it does look bad. I will allow it to be likely coincidence though, especially with the date on that 2003 album, unlike Oprah's airing of molestation shows, which is not coincidence.<br /><br />Oprah does not care about Michael. She cares about herself, her image, her ego. I bet Oprah did not take the time to read the autopsy report or even know the exact cause of death. I nearly puked when Oprah sat there at one point and said something about the drugs, it was her exaggeration of the word "drugggggs"--IMO that part looked like it was rehearsed or certainly played up. Oprah let Lisa keep rambling about him being this drugged-up spaced out ex-husband and did not even attempt to establish some facts about his manner of death, that his doctor is facing manslaughter charges (that should be murder charges), that Michael was actually healthy, that he died from one drug that was administered to him by someone other than himself, etc. Michael was 50 years old and healthy--that in itself is a grand exception for anyone! Many 50 year old men, especially African-American men, have health issues like heart disease, even if they are active and such. Michael had none. Elvis was 8 years younger than Michael and had multiple health issues most of which can be attributed to drug abuse. It is sad that most people will not know these key differences and will now assume Michael was just another Elvis when that simply is not true. No justice for Michael through such assumptions.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-39496882406283632042010-11-03T03:31:39.167-07:002010-11-03T03:31:39.167-07:00Nikki said, "The worst part about all of this...Nikki said, "The worst part about all of this is that he did not even die from addiction--he was killed by the hands of another human being yet he is being painted out to be some other celebrity who succumbed to drugs."<br /><br />Absolutely!!! And Oprah NEVER put this in its proper perspective and that was to re-assert what the coroner determined which was that Michael's death was a homicide resulting from "acute intoxication from Propofol." Oprah, Michael is NOT Anna Nicole Smith or Heath Ledger and his internal organs showed no sign of damage due to any type of drug addiction. As we know, none of this was mentioned. As a so called journalist, it was her responsibility to enter this fact for the record in order to put the current situation in its correct context.SandyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15491102751518978984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-40298030196061264402010-11-03T03:17:24.518-07:002010-11-03T03:17:24.518-07:00I agree with your observations from above about MJ...I agree with your observations from above about MJ's affection for Lisa. I believe he did love her, and at the beginning at least, she did love him. She acknowledges that their relationship continued for 4 years after the divorce. And according to Michael, she wanted to get re-married and have as many kids as he wanted. Michael clearly didn't want to go there again despite being O.K. with continueing the relationship on some level there afterwards. It has been reported that Latoya had said that they continued to be seen together only because of obligations that had been booked long in advance of the divorce. I'm sure in part this was true but not totally.<br /><br />The more I think about this interview, the more I pity LMP. Yes, PITY her. Not feel sorry necessarily. She has said some very unpleasant things about Michael in the past and I believe she is still tormented by her own conflicted feelings for him, ESPECIALLY since his passing. There is now NO opportunity to make things right with him. <br /><br />I've read, forgive me for not having the source, that Oprah has advised her to get over her MJ obsession or it could destroy her current marriage. That's probably very true. I think her husband has given her a lot of space to process her feelings over the last year and change. Hopefully he continues to be patient with her. The other sad thing is that she does need to see a therapist about this or it will continue to eat her from the inside out. As a Scientologist, she can't seek this kind of help since Sctlgst's don't believe in it and are in fact very hostile to this type of therapy. I strongly believe that Oprah is filling that role for her unofficially in the short term.<br /><br />Another thought. The last time LMP was on Oprah was in 2005, during Michael's trial, she was promoting a new album. In the 2010 interview, she also mentions the upcoming release of a new album. Of course this looks bad for obvious reasons.<br /><br />At the end of the day, she has said some hateful things about Michael. I hate the things she has said, but I don't hate her. I continue to pray for her.SandyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15491102751518978984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-71978418562128713972010-11-03T02:46:12.163-07:002010-11-03T02:46:12.163-07:00Nikki said, "He married you with no pre-nupti...Nikki said, "He married you with no pre-nuptial agreement regardless than you had your own money."<br /><br />Excellent post. However, If I may, according to the interview they did together with Diane Sawyer, they were asked about this and they said there was a prenup.<br /><br />Looking forward to your thoughts.SandyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15491102751518978984noreply@blogger.com