tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post6401482020835582533..comments2023-10-05T03:05:34.846-07:00Comments on From atop the Branches of the Giving Tree...: A Plea to the Voicesgatorgirl277http://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-28936779622529373952010-10-25T14:32:50.355-07:002010-10-25T14:32:50.355-07:00Simo, SandyK and ladypurr, thanks for writing. WO...Simo, SandyK and ladypurr, thanks for writing. WOW! Ladypurr your comment is beautiful and so, so important.<br /><br />"Even if one is so misinformed to think Michael was a drug addict, it still does not justify Dr. Murray's negligence and outright violation of his hippocratic oath as a doctor. The events leading to the period prior to his death strongly indicate this man "killed" Michael. Based on the charges brought against him, malice wasn't involved but...that's the lynch pin. We don't know and sadly those responsible for gathering information and investigating didn't expand their suspicion beyond Dr. Murray. We all know it is far more complex than simply a "doctor-patient" situation."<br /><br />I could not say it better. I, too, wish we could push the prosecution to do more. I have been writing about why I think they are not doing much (based on addiction claims and the molestation allegations, at minimum), though in reality, we don't know. Some fear that if this is a conspiracy with more than Murray involved, then those who had a part have good relations with authorities. I have no proof of that, though, and do not want to directly accuse anyone of anything that I have no proof regarding--I am just stating what I have heard. I think the best thing to do is not take things at face value. There is much to the story we don't know, yet.<br /><br />Everyone who posted here is helping, always remember that. It is difficult sometimes because it seems at times those with the loudest voices are not doing this man justice, just as justice was not served when he was alive. I hope that together things will get better. I hope that the Uncovering of Michael's name at Gardner is a sign of things to come.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-60682178043434450552010-10-25T14:08:01.317-07:002010-10-25T14:08:01.317-07:00Hey Junie! Haven't sent it to Taj. I might! ...Hey Junie! Haven't sent it to Taj. I might! I dunno. :-S<br /><br />Bridgett, I will get to your question in one of my upcoming blogs.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-77651100829852078122010-10-25T14:05:40.670-07:002010-10-25T14:05:40.670-07:00As for what was given to Michael the NIGHT he died...As for what was given to Michael the NIGHT he died, I do not think he had a clue. Before, I am not sure. Did he know he would die? No. Did he think he would die? No. I know people keep saying he was smart and enjoyed reading medical literature--I know he was smart--but that is no substitute for a medical degree. Why did Murray let Michael "beg" for propofol for 9 hours when he should have been awake for the day? Why did he give propofol at all when he does not induce sleep and only works about 5-10 minutes? <br />Hair samples will tell us how long he actually gave it. Tohme said that Murray was only around 2 weeks before he died. It is hard to deny he did ask for it with Lee, Klein, Metzger, Adams, etc. saying he asked for it at some point in time. He is not the only lay person to ask for it, though. If a doctor gave it to him in Germany in some form, or Michael thought he got it--he assumed it was safe. That much I believe. That is what he kept telling Lee--"as long as I am monitored, I will be okay". When Murray got the propofol he "approved" the medication for use for insomnia for Michael. Ratner is the doctor from NY--he has been pushed for answers but will not say much on the subject. But, like I mentioned before, I do not think it was possible this was given to Michael for any length of time though Michael may have thought it was given. He wouldn't know, he was asleep! Sad to think this was all a misunderstanding in Michael's mind that Murray, who knew better, carried out in the most illogical of ways and failed him in every possible way, too.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-83539634772241894152010-10-25T13:33:18.436-07:002010-10-25T13:33:18.436-07:00As for him asking for propofol months before--it w...As for him asking for propofol months before--it was in April. He never mentioned it to her before that. He mentioned it only after he had tried many of Lee's treatments for insomnia and failed. I mentioned above things had changed from when she saw him in February to April--I think it began to effect his sleep. She mentioned in the video he said something about a doctor gave it to him "in the past" (I will elaborate more on this in my next comment). Rumors are a doctor gave it to him while in Germany on the HIStory tour. I don't want to get into specifics but this seems highly doubtful though Michael may have thought that is what he was getting and perhaps he got it to initially "knock him out" but I am having a problem accepting that he was induced into a coma for 8 hours a day with propofol for "sleep"--and survived.<br /><br />That being said, he was not an addict seeking propofol. He was a man seeking sleep. I don't have a PDR on hand but I would say it is listed in the PDR.<br /><br />As for Lee treating the kids--this is okay, IMO. She does general practice though she admitted to Michael she was not a pediatrician. I know her treatments are usually holistic. Most nurse practitioners do see kids, too. They see most patients of any age for minor ailments. For Murray to have seen Michael or his children, in my opinion, is inappropriate even with his background in internal medicine.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-90061285218524804452010-10-25T13:21:48.837-07:002010-10-25T13:21:48.837-07:00Hi June!
I will post this in chunks since it will...Hi June!<br /><br />I will post this in chunks since it will be long.<br /><br />Sorry for my delay. I am just now getting a "break" to go back and look at things.<br /><br />Here are some links to an interesting interview of Lee:<br /><br />http://video.foxnews.com/v/3935035/michael-jacksons-nurse-pt-1<br /><br />http://video.foxnews.com/v/3935041/michael-jacksons-nurse-pt-2<br /><br />http://video.foxnews.com/v/3935032/michael-jacksons-nurse-pt-3<br /><br />Lee actually mentions something in I think part 2 above about the LAPD. The date listed on the interview is December 2009--if that date is when she gave the interview then it had been 6 months since he passed and they still had not spoken with her. She states, I think though it is hard to hear, that she was to speak with them that week. Why didn't police question her ASAP? Though I think she should have gone to police first, they obviously did not even really consider what she had to share which I find to be very critical for the prosecution. I sat there thinking she HAS To be a vital witness for the prosecution--I guess not! I guess they don't care, authorities that is, that is the only thing I can think of to be honest. I personally do not think she set him up to be a drug-seeker--she set him up to be someone who had tried all remedies for sleep she offered him and nothing worked--he was a tired man who was desperate to rest so he could complete the obligations set forth by AEG.<br /><br />In the videos above she mentioned all was well when she saw him in January and February. I do not think she saw him in March--he was in London at that time. April and May there was a change--this includes the 10-to-50 shows and rehearsals were in effect. All those things, plus probably more, indicated added stress which likely worsened his insomnia. Lee said when she first saw him, he causally mentioned insomnia--it was not anything severe. He was just lacking energy.<br /><br />I think for the most part Lee is trying to be honest. I think sometimes she doesn't express herself in the best words (I am guilty of this, too, when I speak out loud rather than in writing). Cont...gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-92143917626100593962010-10-22T08:00:19.494-07:002010-10-22T08:00:19.494-07:00What do .you think about Lisa say MJ was high as a...What do .you think about Lisa say MJ was high as a kite?Bridgett_361https://www.blogger.com/profile/00329962273596610941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-62389943411675668412010-10-16T12:07:16.823-07:002010-10-16T12:07:16.823-07:00HI Nikki ~ apologies for the delay in posting my r...HI Nikki ~ apologies for the delay in posting my response to you excellent blog. <br />You have said exactly everything I believe to be true..including the fact that we only have Murray's "word" that Michael asked/begged for anything!!! And as we know, Michael is not here to defend himself. It is my belief, although I have no proof, that Michael was sedated by the benzo's and had no idea what Murray was doing to him that night. All Michael ever wanted was a good night's sleep...is that so much to ask for? <br />Have you posted the link to your blog to Taj Jackson? I am sure he would take the time to read it and fully understand what you are saying.<br />KeepTheFaith...you are doing an amazing job!!<br />Love you more<br />Junie XXMJRedSilkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369646377590616705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-36711736911624438162010-10-08T21:01:21.242-07:002010-10-08T21:01:21.242-07:00Nikki-I finally found you. You seem to be the go-...Nikki-I finally found you. You seem to be the go-to person for a medically related inquiry.<br /><br />What do you think of the involvement of Nurse Cherilyn Lee in all this? I've posted this elsewhere, some agree, some don't, but they don't have your medical background.<br /><br />What do you make of her going on National TV right after MJ died saying he had asked for propofol MONTHS BEFORE he died? If she were responding to Larry King's question about why she was making these appearances when she said she wanted to set the record straight that she had been treating him and he never did drugs, then I could stand looking at her face. But to then segue into Michael asked me and I even checked mPDR and told him it wasn't good stuff, sets him up as a drug seeker. So what did Nurse Lee accomplish? Saying he didn't use drugs but bye-the-bye he asked me for a "lethal" one.<br /><br />As to how she met Jackson, she says his kids had colds and she was referred by mutual friend; that's the same thing Murray said when asked how he met Jackson! Nurse Lee in CA and Murray in Vegas. How convenient.<br /><br />Nikki - is propofoll in the Physician's Desk Reference as Nurse Lee claims? <br /><br />Frankly, I don't think Michael knew at all WHAT drugs Murray was giving him. If benzos and versed kept him asleep several nights prior to his demise, a sleeping Michael would be a good target for a giant infusion of propofol to finish the job. I don't believe Michael had been giving him prop for six weeks prior to his death. What credible sources have said in the past that Michael used prop? He had an IV for hydration on the History Tour. There's a Doctor in Woodstock NY who accompanied Michael on the History tour. Hasn't said anything. <br /><br />Nikki - do you have any thoughts on these issues? Thank you.junehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02435785999975014629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-16469396671528106722010-10-05T21:44:28.001-07:002010-10-05T21:44:28.001-07:00Hi Nikki and Simo,
I agree with you Simo. I'...Hi Nikki and Simo,<br /><br />I agree with you Simo. I've come accross posts elsewhere on the net comparing Michael to Anna Nichol Smith and the like. Clearly there is no comparison. None what so ever! <br /><br />Nikki said:<br />"Remember, it was not "pills" that killed Michael. He did not even have one "pill" in his stomach. It was not addiction that killed Michael. It was another human being's actions that killed Michael."<br /><br />I have to hold myself back regarding Murray because his willful incompetance defies comprehension. Some want to call him a "fall guy," perhaps, but no matter what, he is responsible for his actions and inactions on that fatefull day. If everything happened the way the affidavit states, the very idea that Murray would treat Michael with Propofol knowing that he didn't have appropriate back-up equipment and personnel that he has acknowledged that he needed and didn't receive is gross incompetence by itself. Isn't it?? I just don't see how his lawyers can possible defend him, even IF Michael had a drug addiction at the time of his death. In light of other alledged facts, I don't see how that even matters! (Note: According to the autopsy report, Michael didn't show signs of severe addiction and only had in his system what Murray and the paramedics gave him.)<br /><br />Thank you Nikki for your post.SandyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15491102751518978984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-66202223007559095392010-10-05T20:22:14.080-07:002010-10-05T20:22:14.080-07:00One more think people like Oprah are not going to ...One more think people like Oprah are not going to set anything right about MJ. Because putting him down benefit them, we need to look at some like geraldo reverie over at fox he may be of more help.Bridgett_361https://www.blogger.com/profile/00329962273596610941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-25030511566182853472010-10-05T20:14:55.636-07:002010-10-05T20:14:55.636-07:00I am trying girlfriend on many a blog board my fin...I am trying girlfriend on many a blog board my finger is num some fans say his family is saying it so why should they believed other wise.<br /> I blame MJ family they never have his back and know there concearn is about money not fighting for MJ innocent, I was watch "they don't care about us" video today and it hit me like a ton of brick MJ use to create his own sound from nature, how many fans know that he did not reliy on every day music instrument to create. His sound?<br /> Because of all the lies his message was hid from most,<br />I keep saying its we who are here need to make sure the garbage do not end up in the history books about Michael Jackson .<br /> But where do we start and how do we go about it,<br /> I am willing to help any which way there is a lot to make right.Bridgett_361https://www.blogger.com/profile/00329962273596610941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-21732614088382801062010-10-05T19:39:46.165-07:002010-10-05T19:39:46.165-07:00Ha Ha! Figured it out. You need to click on my pho...Ha Ha! Figured it out. You need to click on my photo in your list of followers and you get to send me a message that way.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00095723566944110733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-31468738670860105762010-10-05T19:37:36.227-07:002010-10-05T19:37:36.227-07:00Hi Nikki,
I've sent you an email. If you clic...Hi Nikki,<br /><br />I've sent you an email. If you click on the name next to the photo it is a link to the profile but it seems to end there?<br /><br />Anyway, thanks and I look forward to your reply to my email.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00095723566944110733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-42828019915796198182010-10-05T12:50:46.495-07:002010-10-05T12:50:46.495-07:00Dear Nikki,
I'm grateful to Seven for providi...Dear Nikki,<br /><br />I'm grateful to Seven for providing the link to your blog. <br /><br />Being a pharmacist puts you in a position of understanding the drug aspect that few of us fans have. Thank you for all your diligent, heartfelt efforts on Michael's behalf. I can feel your frustration and your heartache.<br /><br />I too am so weary of the way Michael Jackson continues to be reported on and portrayed even in mainstream media. It is literally stomach-turning. <br /><br />Thankfully there are thousands of dedicated fans who have risen to the challenge of addressing these false stories and untruths repeated again and again by journalists, news anchors, etc. It is very difficult. It requires us to navigate the "ugly" words (I won't repeat them--doing so continues to keep them alive!) and focus on goodness and truth.<br /><br />What one human being had to endure for more than two decades is shameful. Mainstream America hasn't yet grasped that reality. For many, whatever happens during his the upcoming trial will be of no consequence. Far too many people are afflicted with a heart-numbing indifference that can rarely be eliminated. It is, sadly, the result of a society whose moral fabric unraveled completely and on which our very foundation is now at risk of crumbling. All is not lost. It is not hopeless because there are many that do care and will watch what happens in this case with some interest. It is with this audience that we can have the most influence.<br /><br />Even if one is so misinformed to think Michael was a drug addict, it still does not justify Dr. Murray's negligence and outright violation of his hippocratic oath as a doctor. The events leading to the period prior to his death strongly indicate this man "killed" Michael. Based on the charges brought against him, malice wasn't involved but...that's the lynch pin. We don't know and sadly those responsible for gathering information and investigating didn't expand their suspicion beyond Dr. Murray. We all know it is far more complex than simply a "doctor-patient" situation. <br /><br />I wish I knew how to get the prosecutors to expand their investigation. Perhaps they are doing just that in light of what has been rumored and spoke openly about in the media about the various players (I won't mention names but we all know who we're talking about). I've read enough to have formed a very strong suspicion about famous big entities that surrounded (and in some instances "controlled") Michael's decisions and actions. <br /><br />I'm holding out hope that we may not be aware of what is happening just below the surface to flush out the truth. People who do private investigations and undercover work have be as clandestine as double agents at times in order to avoid undue scrutiny and suspicion. I think our role lies in refuting the same old regurgitated lies the media uses but doing so in a way that doesn't portray us as MJ Zealots (if you get my drift). Instead taking these pseudo-journalists to task for not accurately and truthfully reporting FACTS. Any journalist who's worth his weight in printer ink will eventually tire of getting e-mails and letters slamming him for "copy-cat" writing and maybe get off his lazy arse and do some diligent research.<br /><br />I wonder who the prosecuting attorneys are in this case, beyond the legal authorities? Are there any attorneys who are representing his estate that are part of the prosecution? Sometimes all I can do is shake my head and cry thinking about the hateful, false caricature the news media created of Michael and how miserably those who were in his circle, friends, co-workers, colleagues, fellow artists and musicians, failed to come together and speak truthfully and forcefully on his behalf. It is a failure of biblical proportions. <br /><br />Nikki, thanks for all you're doing. Don't give up. As long as we have a voice and can speak, there is hope. Michael knows we won't give up.ladypurrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15548729938808769839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-62345694180670366912010-10-05T01:00:50.748-07:002010-10-05T01:00:50.748-07:00Nikki, wow!
Another powerful post, thank you so mu...Nikki, wow!<br />Another powerful post, thank you so much.<br />You are expressing my very sentiments.<br />I, too, am eaten at the core by what is going on and I fear no one (no one who has a voice) will do anything to change this tide. I simply cannot tolerate the way Michael is being portrayed as the humptenth vicious star who practically killed himself and brought his misery onto himself. I cannot tolerate this, this is cruel, insane and FALSE. <br />Thank you for speaking up, Bless you.Simohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15246387386666170937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-86670854495247505182010-10-04T22:18:06.098-07:002010-10-04T22:18:06.098-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-53182790246077377512010-10-04T21:53:11.888-07:002010-10-04T21:53:11.888-07:00Hi Nikki,
Thanks for your blogs - they are always...Hi Nikki,<br /><br />Thanks for your blogs - they are always very informative although I must admit sometimes I get a bit cross eyed with the detailed medical info! But don't stop....<br /><br />Seeing you are a pharmacist, I would like your help in a story I am writing (MJ related of course!) Sorry for doing it here but I am fairly new to Blogger and am not sure if there is another way I could contact you.<br /><br />When you get the chance, could you please try to contact me? I am assuming you click on the photo near my name?<br /><br />Thanking you in advance.<br /><br />KarenKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00095723566944110733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-56823171188983684482010-10-04T20:44:36.783-07:002010-10-04T20:44:36.783-07:00Hi Sandy!
Concerning the lidocaine/propofol debac...Hi Sandy!<br /><br />Concerning the lidocaine/propofol debacle, I am actually being very picky on this and not elaborating, which I should. That's my fault. Yes, you can add lidocaine to propofol to lessen the burn but technically you do not "dilute" it in the sense that you mix more lidocaine than propofol or even half and half--one must be very careful and limit the amount of lidocaine because lidocaine itself is an antiarrythmic drug (disturbs the heart rhythm). To "dilute" implied weakening the strength of the propofol utilizing lidocaine to do so--that is not true. One would never, ever do this! I do not recall but there is limit to how much lidocaine can be added to propofol. I think the only substance in which propofol can be diluted is 5% dextrose.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-52606254820654280672010-10-04T18:39:28.482-07:002010-10-04T18:39:28.482-07:00Well said Nikki!! Bravo!!! Michael did a lot of ...Well said Nikki!! Bravo!!! Michael did a lot of GOOD in his life outside of the world of music. As we all know, this side of his life is all too often totally ignored.<br /><br />Concerning lidocaine and propofol Nikki said:<br />"FYI, you do not dilute propofol with lidocaine." <br /><br />The concept of diluting the two is confusing however, my understanding is that lidocaine would be used to lessen the burning sensation caused by the propofol at the injection site.<br /><br />"Lidocaine is used topically to relieve itching, burning and pain from skin inflammations, injected as a dental anesthetic or as a local anesthetic for minor surgery."<br /><br />Source:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LidocaineSandyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15491102751518978984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3092279688859602255.post-30519861620793042072010-10-04T13:46:53.839-07:002010-10-04T13:46:53.839-07:00People who have the ability to speak loudly for Mi...People who have the ability to speak loudly for Michael need to force people like Oprah and others to speak about all the GOOD he did in life--that could easily take up a series worth of shows. If they do not comply then WALK OFF. It isn't worth the money or attention.gatorgirl277https://www.blogger.com/profile/01700536873177629282noreply@blogger.com