Wednesday, March 30, 2011

Discrepancies--Part I

The following blog addresses some questions and inconsistencies floating out there about Michael Jackson's death. This is a two-part series.

a) Did Michael have an pneumonia/some sort of infection when he died?

There is no evidence Michael had any sort of infection when he died. The autopsy report did not list any infection being present anywhere in his body. The best indication of infection, however, is an elevated white blood count which was not provided in the autopsy report. The report mentioned that Michael had a chronic lung condition consisting of pneumonitis and other related problems. This is different than something like pneumonia which is considered to be an acute lung condition (an acute condition is one that comes on suddenly and is most times temporary). Michael's lung ailments were not ones that would ever completely go away. Michael did have two antibiotics written for him by nurse practitioner Cherilyn Lee. The prescription for amoxicillin was filled on 02/02/2009 and the prescription for azithromycin was filed on 03/09/2009. Neither were finished nor apparently being taken when Michael died over three months later. Both of these antibiotics are used for an array of infections, usually uncomplicated infections any of us could encounter in our daily lives.

b) Was hydrocodone found at Michael's house?

No, there is no indication that hydrocodone was found at Michael's residence. The autopsy report does not list hydrocodone as a medication found at the residence. The official court transcripts do not mention hydrocodone, either. Some un-authorized reports claim that hydrocodone was found per testimony from the hearing in January. Hydrocodone is an oral medication used to treat mild to moderate pain. A medication of similar name called hydroquinone was found at the residence. Hydroquinone is a cream used to treat vitiligo. Michael did in fact suffer from vitiligo.

The lack of hydrocodone being mentioned as a combination product with another medication such as acetaminophen/paracetamol, aspirin or ibuprofen is rare as it is not available commercially in its pure form to the best of my knowledge--this further confirms a mistake in nomenclature by those present at the hearing since they did not report it as being part of a combination product. Michael's toxicology results were negative for hydrocodone (an opioid). Even if this medication had been found and was taken by Michael, if it was obtained via prescription for pain and taken as directed then there would have been no problem with it. But, thus far there is no indication he had access to or had been taking hydrocodone during the final months of his life, if not well before his death.

c) Where was the IV catheter placed that Conrad Murray used to administer propofol?

The IV catheter was placed in the inner left calf--an area that would never be used by medical personnel (other than Murray apparently) because placement in the calf increases the risk of a blood clot formation (deep vein thrombosis or DVT) which can be fatal. This is just another questionable and could-have-been lethal action apparently committed by Murray against Michael on 06/25/09 which defies common-medical-sense.

d) Was Michael capable of self-injecting propofol to himself?

I covered this in a previous blog found here:

Experts have deemed it almost entirely impossible that Michael could have administered propofol to himself which led to his death. Though most experts say it does not matter who delivered the final dose of propofol and conclude Murray is at-minimum guilty of Michael's death via negligence from leaving him unattended in an environment he created (assuming he did in fact leave him), I feel it is crucial to exonerate Michael from his own death while continuing to question Murray's intentions on 06/25/2009.

The coroner and his team of experts concluded Michael's death to be a "homicide--via injection by another". This conclusion was based on expert analysis and careful research. The IV set-up would have made it nearly impossible for Michael to inject himself or to have kept himself sedated/"asleep" for any extended length of time--this is not considering the fact he had a very high level of lorazepam in his system which should have sedated him before the administration of the fatal dose of propofol. Though everything being done to Michael by Murray was wrong the least Murray should have done was continuously monitor his patient--it was not too much to ask for by any means. For Murray to leave his patient and refuse to use adequate monitoring equipment under such conditions is truly inconceivable especially when one considers his anticipated salary ($150,000/month) for taking care of (and should have included keeping alive) one relatively healthy patient.

Some media reports have attempted to say Michael may have altered the propofol drip rate and thus caused his own death (assuming some sort of drip was used which will be covered later). If such a drip was actively giving him propofol he should have been sedated thus unable to adjust any administration of any medications. This scenario again disregards the high amount of lorazepam reported in the toxicology report which would also likely have render him unable to complete any sort of drip/medication administration adjustments.

e) Did Michael drink propofol?

No, Michael did not drink propofol. There has never been any indication that propofol was ingested per Murray, paramedics, the coroner or UCLA staff. The autopsy report findings state that 0.13 milligrams of propofol was found in 70 grams worth of stomach contents that were dark in color (the dark hue was likely from blood as hemorrhaging was noted in the autopsy resulting from CPR, the rest of the liquid was likely gastric juices or fluid from fluid redistribution post-mortem). Propofol is white. That amount of propofol (0.13 mg) is equal to approximately 0.013 milliliters or roughly a hundredth of a millimeter.

Propofol must be given intravenously (in the vein) to render an effect. Being ingested orally, propofol would take so long to reach the brain it would become inactivated before reaching it (propofol only renders an effect once it crosses the blood/brain barrier). Michael knew not to drink the medication as indicated by his request for a doctor or nurse to administer it IV (though he was wrong to think it a safe remedy for insomnia, based Lee's statements). If the reported number in the autopsy is wrong and any exorbitant amount ended up in his stomach then one should consider the possibility of someone forcing the medication down his throat against his own doing to make him appear desperate.

f) Is propofol addictive?

No, there is no evidence that propofol is physically addictive. Tolerance and withdrawal are components of physical addiction. Propofol does not cause withdrawals or tolerance thus is not physically addictive. It is not classified by the DEA as a drug of abuse or addiction, either.

Murray has claimed Michael was "demanding" propofol after the inability to essentially sleep at all throughout the ten hours before his death, a time frame which includes Murray drugging Michael at various times (the medication administration times reported by Murray are false given the conflicting amount of lorazepam and propofol found in the toxicology report). Murray used both oral but mainly IV benzodiazepines of which the latter should never be used for insomnia in a patient able to swallow tablets/capsules. Michael had oral diazepam, clonzepam, lorazepam, and temazepam available to him but they were not utilized other than diazepam some time well before his death.

No tablets/capsules of any kind were found in his stomach nor was any food in his stomach, either. This could be yet another indication Michael was sedated since there is no evidence Michael ate during that entire time he was awake (though had he eaten earlier in the night he may have digested this food prior to his death). His dinner prepared that evening on the 24th by chef Kai Chase remained in the refrigerator and Murray did not pick up Michael's breakfast that morning or notify Chase that Michael was sleeping in, either. Michael usually woke up at about 10 am. There is no mention of food in the bedroom to the best of my knowledge (someone please correct me if I am wrong), only bottled water and orange juice have been mentioned being found in the room which may or may not have drank that night.

Murray insists on this lack of the ability to sedate Michael despite evidence pointing to Michael being sedated ("sleeping") before he died due to the neurogenic bladder discussed in the previous blog as well as the lofty dose of lorazepam found in toxicology reports, among other issues. If Michael was not sedated Murray could have increased the dosing and frequency of the benzodiazepines so what is his excuse for not administering more of these safer drugs until sedation was achieved? There is no way Michael should have been that tolerant to benzodiazepines, especially one like midazolam. Murray is almost certainly lying about these supposed "demands" in the attempt to pin Michael as a desperate addict in order to perpetuate an erroneous defense that Michael self-injected propofol and drank it, too, thus Murray is not guilty of any wrongdoing because Michael did this all, somehow against all scientific reasoning, to himself. Then again, why would Murray give propofol to Michael if he had not been demanding it? Only Murray knows the answer to that question and he obviously is not telling. Shoddy defense attorneys will do anything to get their client off including placing unfounded blame on the victim when evidence clearly points to the contrary. They will do anything to attempt to establish "reasonable doubt" with the hopes the jury will be just as ignorant as themselves about complex situations even if it is not true.

In "Getting Over Going Under" Dr. Friedberg further establishes Murray's ignorance about propofol addiction by stating, "(p)ropofol is not physically addictive, but like any substance that is pleasurable, it is psychologically addictive. Physical addiction is defined by withdrawal or 'cold-turkey' symptoms if the agent is not supplied. The first Murray folly was the notion of propofol 'addiction'. The second fallacious notion was attempting to "wean" Jackson from a potential propofol addiction by giving him members of the benzo family. The third and lethal folly was giving Jackson two types of drugs well known to potentially stop breathing."

Murray actually ordered intravenous benzodiazepines (midazolam, lorazepam) well before there would have been an established psuedo-addiction to propofol. Murray first ordered propofol on April 6th--about a month prior to when he claims to have began giving propofol for insomnia. On April 28th ordered lorazepam and midazolam--again this is prior to any supposed administration of propofol (most claims are he began giving it on or around May 12th). Murray did not order the intravenous lidocaine (sometimes dubbed as "anti-burn") until June 10th, two weeks before Michael died. Though most reports state Murray began giving propofol six weeks prior to Michael's death, ex-manager Tohme Tohme stated to the media Murray had only been around the past two weeks.

"Weaning" an agent implies physical withdrawal and tolerance which does not develop with propofol--another proven-to-be-false statement by Murray which makes one question every single statement that has ever come out of his mouth. Even in a case where someone abused propofol up to 100 times a day, the person never found themselves needing to increase the dose or "wean" from it. If the "demanding" is part of the "weaning" equation then what does that say about the validity of these supposed demands?

Dr. Freidberg mentions not only the lack of monitoring but also the issue of giving two types of drugs that cause respiratory depression--true, Murray was not skilled as an anesthesiologist but being a cardiologist who should and does apparently possess more knowledge than the basic lay person, without a doubt, knew these drugs could be lethal given in the matter in which he gave them--without monitoring equipment, without apparently monitoring him in the room, without proper breathing measures instituted, etc. Murray also should have read up on any drug before giving it if he did not know enough information about it--that is the job of any medical professional. Murray knows benzodiazepines are depressants (and should know the ins and outs of these drugs very well given he should use them frequently in practice) and propofol is a sedative/hypnotic--just about anything that sedates or depresses can cause you to stop breathing especially when combined with other substances that cause depression or sedation. This concept should be like "1+1=2" for a physician and the likelihood of a doctor forgetting or not knowing one plus one is indeed two seems just as unlikely as one thinking a lorazepam/propofol combination, especially without monitoring and respiratory assistance, would not be lethal.

Other signs of addiction (physical or psychological) include pleasure, loss of control, compulsion and denial. There are arguments over whether or not the drug may be psychologically addictive, as Dr. Friedberg mentioned he believes it can be psychologically addictive. Other clinicians' say this drug may be psychologically addictive when given at sub-therapeutic levels only. Michael was not requesting use of the drug at sub-therapeutic levels if he requested it at all. Michael allegedly asked for propofol to treat insomnia (which he had suffered from for decades) that became troublesome while rehearsing for his upcoming tour--not for euphoric feelings or "getting high". One who lacks sleep would find receiving sleep (or what they think is sleep) pleasurable in some regard. Any substance/action could potentially create pleasure for someone thus psychological addiction--be it chocolate, lip balm, gambling or Facebook's Farmville. Apparently there was no loss of control (if one does not buy Murray's defense strategy)--he had a doctor who willfully was giving him this drug in a manner he thought was safe rather than ordering it and injecting it himself which has actually been done in the past by others. Murray's ordering and administration of propofol deemed this regimen as safe and acceptable in Michael's mind. Murray is trying to hint at compulsion by saying Michael demanded it and drank it but as discussed before this seems rather dubious. Michael did not deny the use of propofol --he had a doctor knowingly administering to him and had supposedly mentioned propofol to others, saying he was told by another doctor it was a safe way to get sleep--so long as he was monitored.

Part II will follow shortly and cover the non-rebreather mask, pulse oximeter and the technique used by Murray to administer propofol (gravity drip vs. bolus doses given via syringe).


  1. I totally agree with you on the fact that any formville addict will tell you how many time during the day they power up Facebook to buy and water there farm.
      My daughter was addicted to chocolate she went camping and almost go off the deep end from wanting it even a smell, 
      The fact that Mj was not around every corner shouting up or wanting to go to sleep at odd time of the day tell us he was not a desperate out of  control drug addict.
       The setup Murray had and the way witnesses describe he was found tell. A different story from Murray, he was in a state for a long sleep every thing was in Oder bad pad, condom catheter, all those clue tell us MJ was not awake begging for anything  plus he has a full bladder and jar of urine,
         Murray can say all he want if we get honest jury to hear the case like in 05 justice will be serve 
        We all here the evidence that Murray was not in the room and watching over his patient for a good hour plus .    

  2. right buti can add that "Those providers who have issues with insomnia, many times they think that by giving themselves a little bit of propofol, it puts them into a deep enough sleep, and they wake up refreshed," said Steve Alves, the vice president of the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists, and an associate clinical professor with Northeastern University.


  4. as far as i know Michael used benoquin cream which contain hydrochinone

  5. Right now I'm thinking it would be a perfect case for Messereau ... and I want someone from the prosecutor's team is making as thorough analysis as yours

  6. This is a must-watch:

    But, at the same time, it brings in a LOT of questions and confusion. I trust Dr. Treacy and have immense respect for him. During this interview he says Michael was an intelligent man and a concerned patient who wanted safety to be a priority. He paints Michael as someone who by all means wanted an anesthetist to give not only propofol but midazolam, too, which likely he'd had both before for various procedures over the years and knew more than the typical lay person about being sedated. Michael also requested an anesthetist when he had dental work done, too (likely for the dental implants which require drilling into the bone). So, what on Earth happened or changed or was done to make Michael end up dying from sedatives at the hands of a cardiologist who did not even have equipment in the room to monitor Michael? According to Lee, Michael said he'd be safe so "long as he was monitored". Was Murray misleading Michael--in other words lying to him about the entire process of what was going on at night? What was really going on in the few weeks before Michael's death?! I would think Michael would have been wondering about the lack of equipment to actually monitor him being present--especially when considering Treacy's account of Michael. Once Michael was sedated there was nothing Michael could do--he could not speak, he could not ask questions, he could not fight back and he could not cry out for help.

    We have Klein also saying that Michael called asking for an anesthetist just two weeks before he died. We have Murray stock-piling propofol and benzos well before he ever supposedly administered propofol when Michael was still actively trying to find someone to give it to him--an anesthetist. Murray did not even order IV lidocaine until June 10th--two weeks before he died. Murray ordered saline only twice, 9 bags on April 6th and 12 on June 15th (only ten days before death)--was he not giving Michael fluids at night during April, May and June? Did Michael really want help with his insomnia during rehearsals or just during the actual tour? Insomnia is something he struggled with for years and it did not include treatment via propofol, it seems he did not treat it at all.

  7. We also have the oral medications for insomnia prescribed to him, most by Murray but a few by Metzger. Michael was taking these at various times, not in excess, however--so, why would he be taking them at all if Murray was supposedly putting him to sleep each night with IV sedatives for 6 weeks, especially? Why did Murray get him to take a diazepam on the 25th if he was going to sedate him with IV lorazepam and midazolam? Murray claims Michael slept fine the night before with no problem on these two medications (as anyone probably would if they survived). Had Michael been sleeping some nights on oral medications alone and Murray is yet again lying about this? Did Murray give propofol for six weeks, two weeks or neither of these?

    Things point to two weeks rather than six weeks. The best answer would be hair analysis, though, which we have yet to get.

    Let's not forget the letter to Murray's patients dated June 15th, too. There was also a trip to Houston I think, on May 23rd. Murray saw Anding on that trip.

    What about that meeting at the house that is mentioned in the lawsuit against AEG by Mrs. Jackson? Could that meeting have played a key role in what happened in the days leading to his death? Was Michael being forced to consent to things he did not want to do, like, insomnia treatment "recommended" by Murray? I already do not accept that Michael was happy and fully-supportive of the "This Is It" tour. He hated to tour and was now a single father to three children. I do not see him wanting to commit the next three years of his life to something he hated willingly.

    So many questions and not many definitive answers. We must continue looking for answers.

  8. Hey zero, I do not think benoquin actually contains hydroquinone--I think they are two separate creams that both treat vitiligo. Michael had both of them. I do not know a lot about these creams, though.

    As for that comment you posted above, it is not that I want to disagree with a guy like Alves but one thing that strikes me odd about his comment is he says that those people thought by giving themselves a little bit of propofol it would put them in a deep sleep and they'd wake up refreshed but anyone who knows propofol well should know a little bit of propofol will only knock you out a few minutes. A few minutes is no deep sleep, to me, unless these people thought that somehow propofol altered their sleep to make a little bit of sleep a lot more refreshing that usual. I am not sure. Some people who abused the medication found themselves having to use it up to 100 times a day to get the effect they wanted (I think this particular guy just wanted to be unconscious). I mean yes, it does not cause a hangover effect like benzodiazepines but it lasting only a few minutes I would think would push most people away from abusing it for sleep, especially health care people. I know some who abused it used it for pain, not to treat the pain but to just become unconscious so they do not have to deal with the pain anymore, even if just for a few minutes. Others have used it not so much for sleep, they just do not want to be conscious which if you think about it is pretty sad.

  9. Nikki said, "If the reported number in the autopsy is wrong and any exorbitant amount ended up in his stomach then one should consider the possibility of someone forcing the medication down his throat against his own doing to make him appear desperate."

    This immediately reminded me of the phone call Murray had with Sade Anding at 11:55am where she reports hearing "coughing and mumbling."

    On a previous blog post about Murray's phone records, Nikki said, "...according to Sade Anding Murray discovered Michael at about 11:55 am yet he kept her on the line to hear "coughing and mumbling"." And, "I guess help for Michael was not the first objective on his mind." I can't begin to tell you how disturbing this particular account is. Murray has hell of alot of explaining to do concerning this particular account, along with everything else!


  10. Nikki, so many unanswered questions, and I wonder if we were ever know what really happened. I continue to question the involvement of Nurse Lee; were you aware she has/had a PR "whiz"; the name is listed at the bottom of Lee's own website. This PR person specializes in music artists, music industry, music professional, music, music, music; so why would a nurse need a PR person. The PR's website says "we specialize in customizing media campaigns and dynamic promotional strategies that are tailored to fit the client's vision." What vision did Lee have? It didn't include going to the police. Who paid for Lee's PR person? The PR's campaigns have included (per the website) ET, MSNBC, Oprah, ABC News, Larry King, among others. Where is Lee now? When did Lee say Michael asked her about propofol, April 12th? Murray ordered it April 6th? Is that correct? Where is Lee now? Looking forward to Part II.

    I hope this comment “takes”; they keep getting kicked out…
    Hi Nikki, I wanted to say something about the pulmonary issue. What you are saying makes sense that Michael’s condition was chronic rather than an acute bout of some sort of infection. I even remember in Moonwalk way back in the 80’s he said he was playing in the surf while at a family member’s home and all of a sudden he had a terrible pain and couldn’t breathe. He said the doctor told him it was pleurisy and he needed to take it easy. I think he said it was a burst blood vessel in the lung. I thought that was interesting and when I read the AR it really made me think. I was wondering what you thought. Could that have been the beginning of the lung condition? You mentioned his issues were ones that were really never going to go away. I wonder, but I don't think this has much to do with this investigation, except for the purpose of learning of Michael's overall health in 2009.
    Also, your comment in that same post mentioned “the talk” (with KO and RP). I can’t help but think it had an impact on the events of June 25th... I can’t get an understanding of which way it impacted, but it seems it did. Why would CM keep Michael sedated for so long into the  late morning hours knowing he still had to get up, see his kids, eat, get ready and still make it to Staples by early afternoon (I think I heard 2pm?) Why would he think Michael could do all that and recover from the Midazolam and other benzos, plus Propofol (or no lingering effects of Propofol?). Wouldn’t Michael be unable to remember much for the first several hours after “waking”?  Aren’t patients who have undergone treatment where Midazolam is used not even supposed to conduct business or sign any legal documents for the rest of the day, at least? Couldn’t he get hurt on all the props (Cherry Picker and that moving ramp they had him on for the Thriller number, etc.)? I just don’t understand how CM could have expected Michael to rehearse/function after all that medication in his body, especially after "the talk". (Michael must attend all rehearsals and be on top of his game, etc) . Why would he add more pressure to an already pressurized situation by throwing in physical limitations? Hmmm…
    Thank you in advance and thank you for all you’re doing for Michael.

  12. Hello Nikki, I just read Seven's recent and super informative blog update (the one with your assistance). In your commentary you addressed my inquiry regarding Michael's pulmonary condition. I forgot about the lupus. It seems we're all on the same page trying to get a clearer picture of Michael's general health as well as specifically. No need to comment back on that aspect. Thank you, Monica.

  13. Okay, got some corrections/additional information to add. First, hydroquinone and benoquin are *almost* the same thing. Monobenzone (benoquin) is the monobenzyl ether of hydroquinone (like that really matters to us). I found that interesting. Hydroquinone has actually been banned in a lot of countries because of some complications from its use such ad skin-darkening (turning it a bluish color) and possibly causing cancer.

    June, VERY interesting. No, I did not know Lee had a PR person. Can you link me to that information? At first I trusted Lee but sometimes I question her now, maybe her inaccuracies are accidental, I hope. Yes, it is a fact Murray began ordering propofol on April 6th. He supposedly left some in Las Vegas and asked for the other bottles to be shipped to his "clinic" (mistress Nicole Alvarez' apartment) in California when he first ordered it, apparently. Yet, Michael was asking Lee about propofol and asking for an anesthesiologist to give it to him on April 12th (Easter)? Why would he even mention it to her if he was getting the stuff from Murray? Also, Michael had two prescriptions filled in late April for benzodiazepines for sleep (one from Metzger, one from Murray). Metzger also gave him an older drug that is sometimes used for insomnia (trazadone). Now, these may have been written earlier than the dates filled but still, they were fill and used, not in excess, but used. It just seems odd, and all this time Murray was ordering IV benzodiazepines and propofol?! Why would one bother with the oral medications? He supposedly did not even give any of those things until around the first or second week of May.

    Hey Monica, yes, his lupus. You know, sometimes I wonder if his lungs or lupus may have caused his nail discoloration he suffered from sometimes. It would be hard to say what else it may have been since his other organs were okay such as his liver, kidneys, etc. His lungs were his most problematic organ in my opinion. Well, that and his skin, the vitiligo put him at such a great risk of skin cancer but he took the steps to prevent that (sunscreen and shade).

  14. Sandy, that is a good point. Only thing is, I think Michael was gone by the time Murray claims he attempted to revive him, well, around noon, he first claims he tried to revive him around 11 am. If Michael was gone he would not make a cough or mumble sound since the reflex for those things would not be active anymore. I just do not think that could have been Michael making those noises at that time, but, I cannot promise that but who was it? Murray talking to himself? Talking to someone else? Why was he coughing? I swear, when it comes to Murray, I think if we take the opposite of everything he said, we may get the truth someday!

    Back to the rest of your comment Monica, it may have started back then, I do recall that in "Moonwalk". LaToya also mentions in her book that Michael was hospitalized numerous times in the 1980s from his lungs/chest pain. She claims his lungs were "small" which, I don't know what she means by that. I will try to find her quote from her book here shortly.

    I am not sure what time Michael got to rehearsals but I think he usually got up about 10 am. Yes, propofol does not have any lingering effects itself but benzodiazepines can, especially in high dose. Midazolam is very potent, does not last too long, though, usually a couple hours. Michael would forget anything from around the time it was administered until so many minutes or hours afterwards, depending on dose and such. Lorazepam's effects depend very much on the dose. The more you give the more hangover I believe one would experience on top of more side effects like amnesia, grogginess, etc.

    Now, Murray could have given flumazenil to reverse the benzodiazepines in the morning but that is ridiculous (well, this whole situation is), and doing that could cause anxiety and withdrawal-like symptoms and thus more benzodiazepines to combat the anxiety. Murray only ordered flumazenil back on May 12th. I believe he ordered 10 vials. He never ordered anymore apparently and because of that it seems he was not using these to reverse the benzodiazpines in the mornings as it would have probably required a lot more flumazenil, especially if this was something done almost every morning. It is so hard to say what this man armed with a medical license did and that fact is very frightening.

    You know, something you said made me think--Michael was expected to be at the top of his game, it is in that horrid AEG contract, but how can anyone be at the top of their game getting nightly anesthesia (assuming he did)?! Whether it was Murray drugging him at night or stress or perhaps something else making Michael seem unlike himself, then why was AEG not trying to fix the problem which apparently was MURRAY. Murray was suppose to get paid $150K a month to do what? Michael was tired, thin, did not seem like himself according to some people, he was tired, he was not making rehearsal and his doctor who was suppose to help fix these problems was not fixing them. Seems AEG would have tried to fire the doctor THEY hired, right, that is, if they wanted Michael to feel well and be better? There is no contract binding Murray to Michael.

    I know Brian Oxman mentioned that Michael had anemia, I do not know if that is true, the autopsy does not say that but it is possible (maybe from the family autopsy or something), in fact people with vitiligo have a good chance of having other autoimmune diseases--both lupus and pernicious anemia are auto-immune related diseases.

    Interesting info above IMO, I wish we knew if a) Michael did in fact have anemia as Oxman claims b) what kind (was it pernicious) and c) how severe was it as it can cause a lot of symptoms he seemed to have that others have attributed to drug use.

  15. Another thing I wanted to mention:

    A friend of mine who is a fabulous researcher gave me this tidbit that I think is very interesting:

    Kenny Ortega said the following: "He (Michael) would say to me I didn't sleep much last night." Ortega then told Michael: "Michael, we have to come to an understanding how we make that go away because we have a limited time, you have to be rested."

    I wish I knew when this was stated, as in, what month, what day? What was that "understanding"--Conrad Murray and whatever he deemed to treat Michael with for insomnia? What was meant by limited time? Time was not limited, it was for rehearsals I suppose, but Michael had to be well if not in much better shape for the actual concerts to start in about two weeks. I find this comment puzzling.

    I have never accused Kenny Ortega of any wrongdoing, as in, wanting anything sinister to happen to Michael and I am still not jumping that far, either. However, this comment is to say the least, "odd". I wonder if Kenny meant limited time before AEG may cancel the shows, maybe not, I do not know, I can only speculate.

    At 1:37

  16. Okay, found that piece in LaToya's book (which is actually a good read, she shares some really beautiful things about Michael):

    Page 92--"While working on 'Off the Wall', Michael suffered a breathlessness attack. 'Take me to the doctor,' he gasped. 'I'm gonna die!'

    At first Mother thought he was merely hyperventilating, but when my brother kept insisting we get medical help, we rushed him to the hospital. Although everything checked out normally, the doctors there discovered Michael has an extraordinary small chest cavity that sometimes presses in on his lungs. They sent him home with some medication, which Mother had to order him to take.

    My brother had never ingested any pill before that wasn't a vitamin. He panicked, complaining of not being able to breathe again, so we had to drive him right back to the hospital. It turned out to be nothing more than a stress reaction to the sedative's relaxing effect. Remember, not only had Michael never taken a drug in his life, he'd never tasted alcohol, or caffeine, for that matter. He's continued to have these stress-induced breathing attacks sporadically ever since, and has been hospitalized many times--always under the strictest secrecy, until one episode in spring 1990."

    Wow, this had more in it than I remembered. He freaked out taking a sedative, probably a benzodiazepine if I had my guess.

    I do not get what LaToya means by a small chest cavity, since Michael was a singer I cannot imagine him having such. But, not much I have go by other than supposedly "something" was wrong and Michael did at least, later in life, have a real lung problem.

    I cannot help but think back to the medications listed on Table 3A, the failure for Michael to take many of those medications listed as he should have, the fact he had medications left over, and then reading this, I get angry again at people calling Michael a "drug addict" and "junkie". I believe, until something proves me otherwise, that Michael was no fan of medications. I think he did take things when he felt he had to take them. I do not think he suddenly went from someone who had to be forced to take medications to someone who suddenly was taking anything he could get. That is not normal or typical by any means. People should always remember, the medications in Michael's body were ALL administered by Murray, not Michael himself. Murray can try and argue that all the way home but he ADMITS to giving them all at some point. He is a liar, he has proven that time and time again. Since he won't tell the truth, people like me will keep digging, for Michael's sake.

  17. Another addition to the topic of Michael's nails that at times were darker than normal:

    This link mentions lupus, lung problems, and low and behold--B12 deficiency. Would it not be something if a lot of his problems were related to something as simple as not having enough B12?

  18. Nikki, so much to digest here; you asked for a link to Lee's PR person.

    Lee's office: Bottom of her site is reference to awjplatinum, her PR "whiz".

    That site is:

    AWJ Platinum put out a press release on newswire. Can't find the link, but you could google belinda foster cherilyn lee. The press release was put out shortly after Lee first appeared on all the tv shows. Why does a nurse need a PR person with media access and who paid for it? Why didn't Lee go to the police right after Michael's death, with her "begging for propofol" story rather than the news? Why would Michael be asking her for propofol on Easter Sunday, April 12th when Murray had already ordered it on April 6th; maybe she misspoke, or ? She sure breached patient confidentiality at the very least!

  19. I'm finally seeing your reponse to my question above...:-) I see what you mean by the time line. As you say, Michael was probably already gone at 11:55, the time the caller heard mumbling/coughing. Still very disturbing though and still not clear exactly when Michael died.

    This is a time line that was posted by People magazine in August of 2009 per the Murray affidavit. This appears to be an accurate representation of that document. Don't hesitate to comment if it is not accurate.:

    "What follows is the timeline of events allegedly given to detectives by Murray in the days following Jackson's death:

    June 22: Murray gives Jackson 25 milligrams of propofol along with the sedatives lorazepam and midazolam. The singer is able to sleep with this mixture.

    June 23: Murray gives Jackson the same drug combination as he did the day before, but this time without propofol in hopes of weaning him off it. Again, the singer was able to sleep.

    The Day of Jackson's Death

    June 25: At about 1:30 a.m., Murray again tried to get Jackson to sleep without propofol and gives the singer a 10-milligram tablet of Valium, but Jackson is unable to sleep.

    • Around 2 a.m.: Murray injects Jackson with two milligrams of lorazepam, pushed slowly into the singer's IV. But again, Jackson can't sleep.

    • Around 3 a.m.: Murray then gives two milligrams of midazolam to Jackson, also pushed slowly into the IV. Jackson remains awake.

    • Around 5 a.m.: Murray gives the singer another two milligrams of lorazepam but Jackson still can't sleep.

    • Around 7:30 a.m.: Murray administers another two milligrams of midazolam. Murray claims he is continuously at Jackson's bedside, monitoring the singer with a pulse oximeter [connected to Jackson's finger] and measuring his pulse and oxygen statistics. But Jackson remains awake.

    • Around 10:40 a.m.: Murray gives Jackson 25 milligrams of propofol diluted with lidocaine to keep Jackson sedated after repeated demands for the drug by the singer. Jackson finally falls asleep, and Murray continues to monitor him.

    • After 10 minutes: Murray states he left Jackson's bedside to use the restroom and is gone for no more than two minutes. Upon his return, Murray finds Jackson not breathing. Murray begins CPR, and gives Jackson 0.2 milligrams of flumazenil, an antidote for certain overdoses. Using his cell phone, Murray calls Jackson's personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, and asks him to send security upstairs for an emergency.

    Murray continues CPR – and before security arrives – he leaves Jackson and runs to the hallway and downstairs to the kitchen, where he asks the chef to send up Jackson's 12-year-old son, Prince Michael I. Murray continues CPR. The boy arrives upstairs and summons security.

    • At 12:21 p.m.: Jackson staff member Alberto Alvarez dials 911, and the Los Angeles Fire Department responds on the scene shortly thereafter. Murray waits for the ambulance while conducting CPR, and later accompanies Jackson to the hospital. "


  20. the money they make on these articles bet they just look around trying to make a story that isnt even factual anyone can see this he fails with research its documented!
    i no its roger freidmans job journalist but i want him to leave of michael after court as we all should have peace and closure! AND MOST OF ALL THE FAMILY mj wouldnt want more conspiracies and false storys he would want peace and justice he should understand this and forget the money but this is unlikely im going to stress this too him under every article he must have a family surely he can do this x